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# 31
04-10-2013, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by redricky View Post
I have the full Bort set, the Dread is awful. You issued the challenge.

P****ing out doesn't make your math any less wrong.

And I'll pop your failtasqu in any ship. You claim to kill escorts. Turns out the E in HEC is for escort. I'll be your huckleberry.

Don't walk back your tough talk. If you get the kills you claim, prove it.
The discussion was Bortasqu' vs Dreadnought, You have no room to even discuss the two ships side by side, let alone to even comment on their abilites.

I sincerely doubt you even have a Bortasqu'.

The challenge was for you to jump into your Dreadnought. a challenge in comparison of Bort vs Dread. I could care less about your escort in a challenge when it has nothing to do with even the very title of the thread in comparing the two ships.
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# 32
04-10-2013, 10:16 PM
Doom has no need for being on topic in arguments!
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Do not presume to have the capability to understand me for you see, I simply am.
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# 33
04-10-2013, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by benovide View Post
The discussion was Bortasqu' vs Dreadnought, You have no room to even discuss the two ships side by side, let alone to even comment on their abilites.

I sincerely doubt you even have a Bortasqu'.

The challenge was for you to jump into your Dreadnought. a challenge in comparison of Bort vs Dread. I could care less about your escort in a challenge when it has nothing to do with even the very title of the thread in comparing the two ships.
This is a very noobish opinion that I've heard from many a noob, such as yourself. Boff layout and stats will tell an experienced player quite clearly how something will handle.

In addition, my ownership of the Dread has little bearing on how wildly inaccurate your claims are.

If you had any confidence in what you claim you would fight me no matter what I flew. But you know you're wrong.
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# 34
04-10-2013, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by redricky View Post
This is a very noobish opinion that I've heard from many a noob, such as yourself. Boff layout and stats will tell an experienced player quite clearly how something will handle.

In addition, my ownership of the Dread has little bearing on how wildly inaccurate your claims are.

If you had any confidence in what you claim you would fight me no matter what I flew. But you know you're wrong.
Trolls gonna troll.
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# 35
04-10-2013, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by benovide View Post
Trolls gonna troll.
Yeah, you know what, these ships are so different I guess you're right that I need to own both to really understand.

Oh, wait...
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Originally Posted by benovide View Post
So, after having the full set of Bartasq, using the Tactical (one with 5 tac slots) it performs identically to the Jem Hadar Dreadnought. ABsolutely identical,
Absolutely identical... well then flying one should provide the same insight as flying the other, unless in your parallel universe the words "absolutely" and "identical" have different meanings in the same manner as your numbers.
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# 36
04-10-2013, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by redricky View Post
Yeah, you know what, these ships are so different I guess you're right that I need to own both to really understand.

Oh, wait...

Absolutely identical... well then flying one should provide the same insight as flying the other, unless in your parallel universe the words "absolutely" and "identical" have different meanings in the same manner as your numbers.
Trolls gonna troll.
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# 37
04-10-2013, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by benovide View Post
Trolls gonna troll.
Just so we're clear the order of events went like this:

You post wild claims including:

A 10kdps Bortas deployable
+12 to Targeting = +4% crit rate

I call you out on your bad math.

You challenge me.

I accept.

You p**** out.

You call me a troll.

Yup, looks about right. Keep in mind that you decided to post your "2 cents" publicly and subsequently refused to support your fantastic numbers. Around here we take accurate values seriously, expect a rough once-over if you're wrong and refuse to deal in reality. Hi and welcome. But yeah, I'm the troll, whatever helps you sleep.
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# 38
04-11-2013, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by redricky View Post
just So We're Clear The Order Of Events Went Like This:

You Post Wild Claims Including:

A 10kdps Bortas Deployable
+12 To Targeting = +4% Crit Rate

I Call You Out On Your Bad Math.

You Challenge Me.

I Accept.

You P**** Out.

You Call Me A Troll.

Yup, Looks About Right. Keep In Mind That You Decided To Post Your "2 Cents" Publicly And Subsequently Refused To Support Your Fantastic Numbers. Around Here We Take Accurate Values Seriously, Expect A Rough Once-over If You're Wrong And Refuse To Deal In Reality. Hi And Welcome. But Yeah, I'm The Troll, Whatever Helps You Sleep.

I Will Kill You All In My Miranda Come Get Someeeeeee
look for me in game as "Admiral Quinn" yeah that admiral quinn..and while your at it get off muh station!!!
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# 39
04-11-2013, 01:52 AM
I want to build a Bortasqu' Tactical!

Here you go! Pre-LoR Edition (Ker'rat Only!)

Bortasqu' Tactical w/ Tac Captain

Traits - Accurate, Elusive, Astrophysicist, Warp Theorist

Passives
New Rom - Precision, Sensor Targeting Assault, (QSM)
Omega - Omega Weapon Training, Omega Graviton Amplifier

TT1, CRF1, APO1
TT1, BO2
THY1

EPtS1, RSP1, EPtW3, DEM3
TSS1, HE2

3x Operative, 2x Subterfuge

DOFFs - SE(DEM), 2x Conn(AP), EWO(C), EWO(B)

Deflector - Omega Mk XII
Engine - Omega Mk XII
Shields - Omega Mk XII

Weapons
Fore - Omega Torp, Elite Fleet Dual Disruptor Beam Bank Mk XII [Acc][Dmg]x2[SDisrupt], 2x Elite Fleet Disruptor Dual Heavy Cannons Mk XII [Acc][Dmg]x2[SDisrupt]
Aft - Cutting Beam, 3x Elite Fleet Disruptor Turret Mk XII [Acc][Dmg]x2[SDisrupt]

Consoles
Tac - 5x Disruptor Induction Coil Mk XII
Eng - Borg, 0Point, Tachyo, Leech
Sci - Romulan Flow Mk XII [Pla]

Devices - SFM, RMC, Eng Batt, Wep Batt

Course, I wouldn't fly it. Don't have a Bort'...deleted the toons that had the free one a long time ago. Just wanted to contribute. I normally offer a disclaimer to ignore my builds as flaky...but that wouldn't be in the spirit of the thread, am I right?
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# 40
04-11-2013, 02:33 AM
Here is something most people don't think of:

If you have the Bortasqu' pack, don't fly the Tac one, fly the SCIENCE!

The only thing you LOSE is that one of your tac consoles is instead a second science console. So you lose an induction coil, but what you gain is worth at least as much. Look closely, the Science version Bortasqu' gets Sensor Analysis. (In fact, Science Bort and Science Oddy are the only ships with 8 guns that get SA)

Sensor Analysis is the ability they added to boost Sci vessel dps, that gives you a +3% damage bonus per second you spend targeting an enemy, up to +33%. You WILL notice the improvement of damage with sensor analysis over the 5th Disruptor Induction Coil, and the spare science console gives you room for another Romulan console or +shields (Or just stick a universal console there)
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