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# 51
04-11-2013, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by benovide View Post
If you don't have the ship, you have no room to even discuss the ship.
what an absurd argument, a ship is a collection of stats, nothing more. its a station setup, turn rate, hitpoint and shield modifier, and inertia score. thats it. anyone who has been around as long as ricky knows how those stats will work together in game play, you obviously so you dont have that talent yet.


the specialization skills buff crit, not accuracy, only the targeting skill effects accuracy. in the attack tab of your ships character screen you can actually see what your ships acc score is, and crit scores. if you want to know what specing into specialization is doing, look here, this is how much it ads to beam and torp damage

https://home.comcast.net/~amicus/Ski...%20Effects.htm


the only place quad cannons have any chance of out DPSing a DHC is if it is fired at a gate in an stf. delivering damage DHC sysle, as spike, can blow down shield faceings and expose hull, something quads cant do as well. dps is meaningless compared to effective damage. that gate is also not going to be moving, another important factor for ether big fat ship. its not going to be able to shoot anything actually moving with them.
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# 52
04-11-2013, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by benovide View Post
Nah, not at all, I choose to not argue, because he has no experience, and it'll go nowhere.
You were asking if you should buy the Bort pack on 3/27. But I'm the one with no experience.

That's fine, I'm the idiot, so prove it. Post up your math, build, and crazy assertions in the PvP section and let the people with actual experience weigh in.

And for the record, this isn't just about epeen, you're making wild claims and advocating dropping $50 on something supported by things that are demonstrably untrue.
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# 53
04-11-2013, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by warmaker001b View Post
The Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier (JHDC for short) is far superior, IMO, than the Bortasqu in whatever incarnation is chosen. Some of my reasons, both good and bad:

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Can I have some of whatever substance you are on? Must be some really good stuff for you to come up with that.

Bortasqu easily outclasses Jem dreadnought in pve and pvp, I have gotten into many 1v1 fights with them and never have a problem quickly dispatching the Jem'hadar "Dreanought" with a Bortasqu, whether using a decloaking alpha, or just starting fight unlcoaked.

If a Bortasqu loses to a Jem Dread ever, the pilot must be completley incompotent and not know his ship. The Bortasqu will put out more firepower and has more tankiness then the Jem Dread, and will have no problems keeping its DHC on a target like that. Most Jem Dreads I attack with my bortasqu only last a few seconds before the fight is already over from a decloaking alpha from a tac buffed auto cannon and/or CRF.
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# 54
04-11-2013, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
Can I have some of whatever substance you are on? Must be some really good stuff for you to come up with that.

Bortasqu easily outclasses Jem dreadnought in pve and pvp, I have gotten into many 1v1 fights with them and never have a problem quickly dispatching the Jem'hadar "Dreanought" with a Bortasqu, whether using a decloaking alpha, or just starting fight unlcoaked.

If a Bortasqu loses to a Jem Dread ever, the pilot must be completley incompotent and not know his ship. The Bortasqu will put out more firepower and has more tankiness then the Jem Dread, and will have no problems keeping its DHC on a target like that. Most Jem Dreads I attack with my bortasqu only last a few seconds before the fight is already over from a decloaking alpha from a tac buffed auto cannon and/or CRF.
Wow, someone who actually has a clue.



And I'm at 23 dread kills, now. (PVP) 0 deaths due to dread. 1 death due to Jem Attack Ship.

25 Player run Dread kills now.

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# 55
04-11-2013, 05:51 PM
Yeah never have and never will die to a Jem "dreadnought" in my Bortasqu, and only have died to that ship when I am piloting something else and it happens to be in the group of people focusing me.

This is my build for tac captain in tac bortasqu, tanks anything in pve like donatra or tac cubes, solos regular cubes in elite in seconds, and quickly dispatches players in kerrat with decloak alpha.

Lt Cmdr Tac- TT1, CRF1, APO1
Lt Tac- TT1, CRF1

Cmdr eng- EPTW1, Aux2SIF1, EPTS3, DEM3 (may switch EPTS and EPTW around with new changes)

Lt Sci- HE1, TSS2
Ens Sci- Tractor 1

(boffs all romulan)

4 DHC

4 Turrets

Omega Deflector
Omega Engines
Elite Shields or HG


Eng Consoles
1 Neutronium, and Romulan, Borg and temporal consoles, or Bortasqu 3 pack consoles sometimes

Sci console- Leech

tac consoles, 5 disruptor induction coil

You can switch a turret out for cutting beam for omega 2 pc bonus but I find I don't need it with leech and eptw

Doffs 3x damage control engineer, 2x attack pattern doffs ( or evasive doffs if you dont have them)

Last edited by marc8219; 04-11-2013 at 06:00 PM.
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# 56
04-11-2013, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
Yeah never have and never will die to a Jem "dreadnought" in my Bortasqu, and only have died to that ship when I am piloting something else and it happens to be in the group of people focusing me.

This is my build for tac captain in tac bortasqu, tanks anything in pve like donatra or tac cubes, solos regular cubes in elite in seconds, and quickly dispatches players in kerrat with decloak alpha.

Lt Cmdr Tac- TT1, CRF1, APO1
Lt Tac- TT1, CRF1

Cmdr eng- EPTW1, Aux2SIF1, EPTS3, DEM3 (may switch EPTS and EPTW around with new changes)

Lt Sci- HE1, TSS2
Ens Sci- Tractor 1

(boffs all romulan)

4 DHC

4 Turrets

Omega Deflector
Omega Engines
Elite Shields or HG


Eng Consoles
1 Neutronium, and Romulan, Borg and temporal consoles, or Bortasqu 3 pack consoles sometimes

Sci console- Leech

tac consoles, 5 disruptor induction coil

You can switch a turret out for cutting beam for omega 2 pc bonus but I find I don't need it with leech and eptw

My Command Cruiser has a similiar build, still grinding to get the mk XI Omega Gear....

Bortasqu' is by far the best ship I've ever flown next to my Guramba, and HoH'SuS.

Although I am also starting to fall in love with subspace jump.

Snare to start with, followed by Jump after. It pisses escorts off, but makes life pretty easy in the mobility department. Especially since they don't share cooldowns.

I have 25 player run dread kills. 0 deaths due to a dread.

And that Tally doesn't include my 16 - 0 Player run Oddyssey kills.

KDF Flag ship is by far the best flagship in the game.
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# 57
04-11-2013, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by benovide View Post
My Command Cruiser has a similiar build, still grinding to get the mk XI Omega Gear....

Bortasqu' is by far the best ship I've ever flown next to my Guramba, and HoH'SuS.

Although I am also starting to fall in love with subspace jump.

Snare to start with, followed by Jump after. It pisses escorts off, but makes life pretty easy in the mobility department. Especially since they don't share cooldowns.

I have 25 player run dread kills. 0 deaths due to a dread.

And that Tally doesn't include my 16 - 0 Player run Oddyssey kills.

KDF Flag ship is by far the best flagship in the game.
Haven't kept track of my kills, but I target Oddys and Jem dreads all the time due to them being easy to keep in DHC firing arc if they get lucky and manage to surive the first few seconds of my alpha. I also like targeting those ships to show the Bortasqu is the boss of the big ships, the real dreadnought. Funny how the Oddy sell so much better and lots of people say its better, but none I find ever stand a chance against a Bortasqu.
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# 58
04-11-2013, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
Haven't kept track of my kills, but I target Oddys and Jem dreads all the time due to them being easy to keep in DHC firing arc if they get lucky and manage to surive the first few seconds of my alpha. I also like targeting those ships to show the Bortasqu is the boss of the big ships, the real dreadnought. Funny how the Oddy sell so much better and lots of people say its better, but none I find ever stand a chance against a Bortasqu.
I normally target larger cruisers, and science ships. (I find science ships to be a bigger threat than the Escorts) Most of the time when working to support the main group, Escorts typically don't make much of a difference. (Been swarmed by attack ships at escorts several times so far, 19 out of about 20 times roughly I came out unscathed)

Bad players who don't get how to play a ship to its strengths are usually the ones whining and crying how bad it is. Overall, I am very satisfied with my $50 purchase. All in all, I wouldn't mind if they made more versions of it lol.

What I would like, is a Bortasqu' Flag Cruiser. with 5 tac, 5 engineer, 5 science slots, that allows access to the exchange, etc. on the ship itself. That ship by itself for those slots I'd gladly shell out another $50 just for that one ship. They could even make an Oddyssey Flag Cruiser as well for all I care.

But as a battering ram, no ship is better than the Bortasqu'.
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# 59
04-11-2013, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
Can I have some of whatever substance you are on? Must be some really good stuff for you to come up with that.

Bortasqu easily outclasses Jem dreadnought in pve and pvp, I have gotten into many 1v1 fights with them and never have a problem quickly dispatching the Jem'hadar "Dreanought" with a Bortasqu, whether using a decloaking alpha, or just starting fight unlcoaked.

If a Bortasqu loses to a Jem Dread ever, the pilot must be completley incompotent and not know his ship. The Bortasqu will put out more firepower and has more tankiness then the Jem Dread, and will have no problems keeping its DHC on a target like that. Most Jem Dreads I attack with my bortasqu only last a few seconds before the fight is already over from a decloaking alpha from a tac buffed auto cannon and/or CRF.
What's the dps on your Hoh'sus pet?
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# 60
04-11-2013, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
Funny how the Oddy sell so much better and lots of people say its better, but none I find ever stand a chance against a Bortasqu.
If Feds had the option of using the Bort, maybe they would, but that's not a choice. KDF are spoiled with the maneuverability of battle cruisers compared to Fed cruisers, which is why an Oddy is considered a "good" ship while many people consider the Bort to be "bad." It's relative to the other choices. The fact that you do well against Feds by decloaking and alpha striking means that the Bort does what you want it to do, but doesn't say that it does it better than some other KDF ship could.

Given a choice I'd still take a Jem Dread over a Bort any day of the week, but I'm doing PvE and not PvP, so my focus is on steady damage over 5-10 minutes rather than a killing burst. I like being able to set 8 Danubes or 12 Scorpions on my target while I'm wheeling around at full speed beaming it to death.

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