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# 91
04-11-2013, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by thegrimcorsair View Post
This definitely puts a big gap in people's resistances that's just begging to get smashed through. The buffs to EPtA/W/E are welcome (maybe not the turn rate buff on EPtE)
Depends on the EptE bonus. Some part of me wishes its like +10 turn for EptE3 so I can at least think about it for a Galaxy The realist me think its will be like +3 so ignored hehe.
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# 92
04-11-2013, 06:55 AM
Last night and friend and I did a 1v1 pvp on Tribble. I as in a bug and he was in a sci, yes i know but it was for testing purposes of the effect of EPtS 10 second hole.

10 - 0 All kills within a minute

Not an insignificant nerf IMHO
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# 93
04-11-2013, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sonulinu2 View Post
Last night and friend and I did a 1v1 pvp on Tribble. I as in a bug and he was in a sci, yes i know but it was for testing purposes of the effect of EPtS 10 second hole.

10 - 0 All kills within a minute
What is the result of this 1v1 pairing on Holodeck?
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# 94
04-11-2013, 07:14 AM
His claim pretty much is in line with other experiences I've heard about.

Tanky guys falling to pieces, unlike before.


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# 95
04-11-2013, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by mancom View Post
What is the result of this 1v1 pairing on Holodeck?
Good question. We will do it on holo when the servers get back online and I will revert to you/this thread.
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# 96
04-11-2013, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by maicake716 View Post
Guess me using only 1 epts is a good thing eh? I've never run 2 copies on anything except a galx due to its limited power selection at low levels lol
I think folks that run a single EPtS or those that run EPtS/EPtX are likely to notice this far more than the 2x EPtS folks will.

I look at it like the following...

2x EPtS: from a 0s gap to a 10s gap

1x EPtS: from a 15s gap to a 25s gap

EPtS/EPtX: from a ~0s gap to

000 EA 45s CD, EA 15s triggered CD
015 EA triggered CD wears off, EB 45s CD, EB 15s triggered CD
020 EA wears off
030 EB triggered CD wears off
035 EB wears off
045 EA 45s CD, EA 15s triggered CD
060 EA triggered CD wears off, EB 45s CD, EB 15s triggered CD
065 EA wears off
075 EB triggered CD wears off
080 EB wears off
090 EA 45s CD, EA 15s triggered CD
105 EA triggered CD wears off, EB 45s CD, EB 15s triggered CD
110 EA wears off
120 EB triggered CD wears off
125 EB wears off

A convoluted pair of 25s gaps. Again, from ~0s to 25s.

What about the DCE DOFFs used to get that ~0s gap? Well, instead of gambling that they take you from 15s to 0s - it's a case of gambling that they take you from 25s to 10s.

Some might say it's not fair to look at it that way. It's the same +10s as the others.

The others didn't make the investment in the DOFFs - not only procuring them but also the opportunity cost of running them instead of something else. That gamble that was 0s or 15s could result in 25s now. From 0s to 25s...

Which is why I think the following is likely to happen in certain cases:

2x EPtS folks will continue to run 2x EPtS.
1x EPtS folks will run 2x EPtS to have a 10s gap instead of the new 25s gap.
EPtS/EPtX folks will switch to 2x EPtS and change their DOFFs.

Decloak Alpha Folks...you know...I think they're going to pick up EPtW. Have to remember the changes being made to GDF as well (50% hull). It's kind of funny when you think about it - the boost to EPtW for spike/burst and the 10s gap in EPtS. Hrmm...how much damage did the Decloak Alpha Folks lose with that GDF change?
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# 97
04-11-2013, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
I think folks that run a single EPtS or those that run EPtS/EPtX are likely to notice this far more than the 2x EPtS folks will.

I look at it like the following...

2x EPtS: from a 0s gap to a 10s gap

1x EPtS: from a 15s gap to a 25s gap

EPtS/EPtX: from a ~0s gap to

000 EA 45s CD, EA 15s triggered CD
015 EA triggered CD wears off, EB 45s CD, EB 15s triggered CD
020 EA wears off
030 EB triggered CD wears off
035 EB wears off
045 EA 45s CD, EA 15s triggered CD
060 EA triggered CD wears off, EB 45s CD, EB 15s triggered CD
065 EA wears off
075 EB triggered CD wears off
080 EB wears off
090 EA 45s CD, EA 15s triggered CD
105 EA triggered CD wears off, EB 45s CD, EB 15s triggered CD
110 EA wears off
120 EB triggered CD wears off
125 EB wears off

A convoluted pair of 25s gaps. Again, from ~0s to 25s.

What about the DCE DOFFs used to get that ~0s gap? Well, instead of gambling that they take you from 15s to 0s - it's a case of gambling that they take you from 25s to 10s.

Some might say it's not fair to look at it that way. It's the same +10s as the others.

The others didn't make the investment in the DOFFs - not only procuring them but also the opportunity cost of running them instead of something else. That gamble that was 0s or 15s could result in 25s now. From 0s to 25s...

Which is why I think the following is likely to happen in certain cases:

2x EPtS folks will continue to run 2x EPtS.
1x EPtS folks will run 2x EPtS to have a 10s gap instead of the new 25s gap.
EPtS/EPtX folks will switch to 2x EPtS and change their DOFFs.

Decloak Alpha Folks...you know...I think they're going to pick up EPtW. Have to remember the changes being made to GDF as well (50% hull). It's kind of funny when you think about it - the boost to EPtW for spike/burst and the 10s gap in EPtS. Hrmm...how much damage did the Decloak Alpha Folks lose with that GDF change?
I would rather have my GDF back please! Get rid of that stupid, nasty hull damage requirement!
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
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# 98
04-11-2013, 07:42 AM
Yeouch... eptw bonus is going to be for 20 seconds now? Man, thats going to hurt as before if a saw a eptw trigger, I'd only need to survive its onslaught for a few seconds..but twenty? 10% bonus damage for eptw1 on a bug or kumari or defiant or other for 20 seconds...talk about a dps boost

...and epts is reduced? seriously? well it'll make decloak ganking easier with a cycle space measured in days, but now it on paper sounds almost pointless to keep a cycle going even out of combat as theres no overlap between the prepatation of defence and attack - by my logic (likely flawed but that me), as resist/attack have equal durations, if the attacker activates first, their bonus ends before the resist does - but wheras then said attacker only does 100% of its dps (compared to 110 previously) - which means for the 20 seconds between cycles, the defender has zero bonus resist while the attacker is doing full damage - thus the defenders in a worse position defending/tanking than the attacker is...whereas before, the defender had a resist that extended far over the duration of the damage bonus


...I hate to say it, but unless you carry a tss or such and time them meticulously, tanking in pvp is done for and in pve, tanking will be a far harder task with that huge period between buffs if this hits - and the attackers, escort types, will remain dominant as long as they shoot first
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# 99
04-11-2013, 07:55 AM
For each of these EPtX changes, I'd love to hear what problem is being solved.

Improving EPtW appears to help cruisers. Maybe.

If, arguably, the EPtS change reduces overall tankiness, does it affect escorts and cruisers equally? Does it help engineers? Not obvious.
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# 100
04-11-2013, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by thegrimcorsair View Post
You just need a holoprojector that turns your ship into the lady in your sig (prefferably making out with the one in your avatar). Most of the "evul klingons" would be too preooccupied to do anything dangerous before their buffs wore off.
Ehi, smart idea! Now...where can I find that ugly big ears Ferengi who sells this holo?
And...evul Klinguns, Klinguns...not Klingons...
After a fierce battle against the evuls a Fed Captain needs some relax!
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