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As we are well aware of by now, the new Scoring System is designed to be more "fair" for Cruisers and Science Ships and lessen the focus on Pure DPS. But is it really working as intended?

With the Recent CE, while I have heard people getting first in Cruisers and Science Ships, heck, I got first on baddly equipped mule. But is it really a good system?

How many of you have tried using people's suggestions of Pure DPS or Pure Heal builds, or using Repulsors and Gravity Well and not even place?

We seen Branflakes post "suggestions" on how to beat score in CE Event, but how many of you tried following it and you didn't even place?

So is this new system good or bad? Does it need improvement? How so? Should Cryptic get rid of the scoring system altogether? Is that DPS Parcing and the focus on Escort play to blame?

What do you think?
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# 2
04-13-2013, 11:43 AM
Its kind of hard to say what amount of healing or resistance goes up againsta specific amount of damage on in an event like that.

How would one measure?

If they use the same kind of numbers as in PvP scoreboard matches its most likely totally unbalanced and bugged.
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# 3
04-13-2013, 11:50 AM
There's no way to measure how useful a heal is in this game. With the abundance of Tac Teams on ships shield-heals aren't that useful for most - and it's not like everyone doesn't have Hazards or Engineering Team to fall back on even without a dedicated healer. So I'm not sure how someone who just wants to primarily heal should be considered a huge asset in a Fleet Action.

For example, if the game were set up differently where Escorts had zero access to heals - or if there were some type of real penalty for dying - then a healer might be worth more, but as the game is right now there's no way for healing to be as useful as damage.
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# 4
04-13-2013, 11:59 AM
I like the idea, but the execution seems inconsistent. I've gotten first with monster DPS builds and mule ships, other times those same ships don't even place. For example if heals only against actual damage help, then damage-mitigating abilities like EPTS or the Engineering Fleet cost you opportunities to score. If only hull damage counts then the heavily-shielded Tholians are a trap. Stuff like that. I don't know if its unfair so much as unclear.
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# 5
04-13-2013, 12:02 PM
So if you don't place that means its not fair or just there where other good players in the match.

To many egos in this game where if someone does not get first instead of trying again or harder, they demand the system to be changed.
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# 6
04-13-2013, 12:17 PM
You do realize there are other people in the mission with you, often with decent ships, and many likely following the same advice you are.

If you used to always get first and now are not, that actually is a sign it likely is more fair.

And if you didn't used to place first and still are not, maybe you ship isn't as good as you thought.
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# 7
04-13-2013, 12:25 PM
So far... best I've done is 3rd on my Engie Escort (using Phased Tetryon) as well as my Sci (Which uses Phased Polaron). My Luna class isn't a DPS boat by any means, but she was dishing out the kinetic with Grav Wells, Tractor Beams, and Tractor Repulsors. Throw in the occasional Subnuke beam and I did pretty well. Swapped out my aft torpedo for a Bio-Neural warhead... Don't think I did as well...
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# 8
04-13-2013, 12:31 PM
Most times I can't even tell what place I got when the popup is instantly closed because I'm busy mopping up leftover Tholians. I did get a 2nd and a couple 3rds, but no 1st.

If we had leaderboards back, or at the very least it only showed the popup once we were out of red alert it would be a lot better.
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# 9
04-13-2013, 12:36 PM
I wonder if we'll see it transfer to our STFs and Fleet Actions as a way to restrict afkers from getting full mission rewards.
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# 10
04-13-2013, 12:44 PM
Originally Posted by nynik View Post
I wonder if we'll see it transfer to our STFs and Fleet Actions as a way to restrict afkers from getting full mission rewards.
Doubtful, the Fleet Action placement/reward system was in place before STFs were even implemented. I suppose they could change it, but I really doubt it.

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