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# 21
04-13-2013, 09:48 PM
I've played in my star cruiser set up to be a pure healer and didn't place. I did a lot of healing, helped my team. But didn't place.

Not like I care. Just doing these on various characters for the crystals and the event reward. But I thought I'd let you all know how a pure healing approach has worked.

Same ship, but different approach, I placed third yesterday. And have placed in second or third with all of my characters doing this, which includes a mix of two different Vestas, the star cruiser, a guramba siege destroyer, and a charal andorian escort.
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# 22
04-13-2013, 10:14 PM
I got second place in a heals/tank fleet gal-r, and a couple seconds in various escorts and my dps bortasqu'.

Seems pretty reliable in my small sample set. The times I don't place I know I didn't fly as well.
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# 23
04-14-2013, 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by neoakiraii View Post
If pure healing is not working, and pure DPS is not working....Then why not try both you get points for both...sometimes you're in a team of pros sometimes you're not...just try again.


Cryptic did listen to not make CE only DPS, so maybe they will listen and bring the leader bored back.
I have tried every single build there is from Pure DPS to Pure Heal, including the NWS builds and those characters never placed. But yet, for the life of me I will never know, but I managed to get First Place on 2 MULE characters in Mk8 gear!

So I ask you, how is it that I can get better standing on mules than the mains that are equipped with the BEST systems available?

But you probably going to respond stating that I was in bad groups, but the probability of getting successive First place wins on the same mule characters is literally 1 in a 1000. So therefore, the scoring system Cryptic uses is either skewed to those with bad gear or that their scoring system is faulty in some form.

Last edited by azurianstar; 04-14-2013 at 12:30 AM.
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# 24
04-14-2013, 12:49 AM
Heres a tip for you guys that arnt getting first place in support ships, when the crystal starts absorbing dmg thats when you use all your dmg cooldown and dps as hard as you can. That way he will hurt everyone alot then you just heal them all back up. You will get first place everytime doing this, I guarantee it. Enjoy
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# 25
04-14-2013, 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by gangstabeatz View Post
Heres a tip for you guys that arnt getting first place in support ships, when the crystal starts absorbing dmg thats when you use all your dmg cooldown and dps as hard as you can. That way he will hurt everyone alot then you just heal them all back up. You will get first place everytime doing this, I guarantee it. Enjoy
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# 26
04-14-2013, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by talien View Post
Most times I can't even tell what place I got when the popup is instantly closed because I'm busy mopping up leftover Tholians. I did get a 2nd and a couple 3rds, but no 1st.

If we had leaderboards back, or at the very least it only showed the popup once we were out of red alert it would be a lot better.
It really depends on who is playing with you. I consistently got 1st and 2nd on my eng / cruiser when leveling up all the way to 49. I think I have managed to get 2nd only once since I hit 50. Escort DPS spam is hard to beat especially with pvp builds running amok.
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# 27
04-14-2013, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by gangstabeatz View Post
Heres a tip for you guys that arnt getting first place in support ships, when the crystal starts absorbing dmg thats when you use all your dmg cooldown and dps as hard as you can. That way he will hurt everyone alot then you just heal them all back up. You will get first place everytime doing this, I guarantee it. Enjoy
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# 28
04-14-2013, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by azurianstar View Post
As we are well aware of by now, the new Scoring System is designed to be more "fair" for Cruisers and Science Ships and lessen the focus on Pure DPS. But is it really working as intended?


With the Recent CE, while I have heard people getting first in Cruisers and Science Ships, heck, I got first on baddly equipped mule. But is it really a good system?

How many of you have tried using people's suggestions of Pure DPS or Pure Heal builds, or using Repulsors and Gravity Well and not even place?

We seen Branflakes post "suggestions" on how to beat score in CE Event, but how many of you tried following it and you didn't even place?


So is this new system good or bad? Does it need improvement? How so? Should Cryptic get rid of the scoring system altogether? Is that DPS Parcing and the focus on Escort play to blame?

What do you think?
I've gone in on my Engy with a Cruiser, and I haven't gotten above third. Its still way to easy to Score on DPS alone.
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# 29
04-14-2013, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by borgressistance View Post
can people call a system where "skittle cruisers" ( taste the rainbow!) with mk 10 common gear ( i did ask) and being a science ( they do no damage, and cant heal(or maybe only this guy)) get first while a tactical officer with mk 12 purple gear and dhc's get 3th fair?

i dont think so.

if someone who hits 300/450 damage range "outgun"someone who does 2500 damage,each normal pulse, crits around 34,00, it isnt fair, i kept him alive by throwing my heals on him,so you guys cant tell me he deserve the first place, i'm not saying ideserve it either, but this is just weird,i got a first place in my oddessy cruiser on an engineer alt,who did mid range damage,while there where some escorts next to me who did double the amount i did.

nope its broken,so repair it, or re-implent the old system again.

( again, i'm not saying i deserve the 1st place,before people start trolling and whining like the little bitches they are sometime's,its just that this cant be right at all.)

As a tac with full Mk XII and DHCs, I've never placed anything other than 1st. The vast majority of performance in this game comes from the pilot, not the gear or class.

I have very little doubt that certain good pilots will always place high regardless of ship, gear, or class...because a lot of people (geared or otherwise) are plain terrible.

Last edited by xantris; 04-14-2013 at 10:14 AM.
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# 30
04-14-2013, 03:35 PM
I'm kind of at a loss as to why I cannot, despite all my efforts, get first. Firstly, let's run down what i've tried it in;

1.) Vesta Science Variant - Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers, Hargh'Peng Torp, Mk XI MACO - 2nd Place
2.) Fleet Nova Retrofit - Advanced Fleet Antiproton Beams, Adv. Fleet Chroniton Torpedo/Mines, Sci/Tac Boff Build - 3rd Place
3.) Khyzon Class Escort - Hybrid Beam/Cannon Andorian Phasers Mk XI, Hyper Plasma Torpedo Launcher/Omega Torp Launcher, Omega MK XI Gear - 3rd Place
4.) Vesta Tactical Variant - Aux Phaser Cannons/Quad Phaser Cannons/Phaser Turrets, Tricobalt Torp/Mines - 3rd Place
5.) Olympic Retrofit - Polarised Tetryon Weapons, Quantum Torpedo Launcher, Healer Build - 4th/Didn't Place

I can only assume that, like all the other fleet actions, the Tac captain(s) in escorts on my team are taking all the glory and those of you getting First in underequipped ships are just lucky not to have been teamed with four Tac Escorts. This idea that healing scores is crap. I healed my team like a boss in my Olympic run and dished out grav wells, repulsors etc. and still didn't place.

To hell with what Dan Stahl and the Devs say. DPS is king, and unless the scoring is changed so that healing a teammate is worth the same as doing damage to the CE, I don't see much point to doing the CE or any other Fleet Action for the trophy/accolade as my Science or Engineering characters because at the end of the day, there is no way they'll ever match the DPS of a Tac in an Escort, and therefore haven't a cat in hell's chance of winning it.
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