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# 41
04-19-2013, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by edmundduke View Post
Borg? Strong? Please excuse me while I solo this Tactical Cube once again.
not writing about an npc borg that cant use it's abilties well, even if its normal or elite difficulty. a player on the other hand would make use of that ship and your sarcasm and humor will quickly turn into a pale straight face when your defeated everytime, and you cant damage its shields beyond 10% of its shield hp even with the best kit you got .
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Lieutenant
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# 42
04-19-2013, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by mirrorchaos View Post
not writing about an npc borg that cant use it's abilties well, even if its normal or elite difficulty. a player on the other hand would make use of that ship and your sarcasm and humor will quickly turn into a pale straight face when your defeated everytime, and you cant damage its shields beyond 10% of its shield hp even with the best kit you got .


That just sounds like regular PvP to me sometimes. XD
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# 43
04-19-2013, 10:50 AM
Cardassians or Dominion ~ I vote in favor.

Borg or Ferengi ~ I vote against.
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# 44
04-19-2013, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mirrorchaos View Post
i can imagine a ferengi faction as long as class faction was introduced into the alliance system.

but the borg? it would need to be balanced which is an impossible challenge; imagine a team of 5 borg players with tac cubes all of them using their cubes and that advantages to the limit, and place them in pvp with 5 rommes, or kdf or feds. if they can deconstruct the fed, kdf and rommies without any issue then pve would be no challenge at all. where as if the cubes were balanced out, it wouldnt be borg and the npc borg would have to be adjusted accordingly.

the only way around this is full assimilated ships from all three races, starting off in any t1 ship with borg bits everywhere, heightened regen abilities, cutting beams, tractor pulses, borg plasma beams and plasma torpedoes and that beam in ability. clearly that can be balanced out, but it wouldnt really be borg would it? you would still be playing a fed or kdf or rommie cruiser that was assimilated.

i just can not see it happening.

as for liberated borg collective of sorts, like the borg resistance from voyager? axem, laura and general korok for example. it is workable but because they are hunted by the borg, i doubt their bases are anywhere near the collective and even if the resistance was still around, like all lifeforms, grow old and die despite the nanoprobes and cybernetics, i can imagine the resistance is no longer the threat it once was.
Natural reproduction seems inevitable here.

Remember Borg can do it. Sure they typically don't reproduce in the collective, but a neo-collective of liberated borg probably would.
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# 45
04-19-2013, 01:10 PM
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The other reason is they as well as their ships are too powerful and would imbalance game play.
Nope. STO makes the Borg ships balanced, and somewhat underpowered. Definitely something that could fit into the current framework of playable ships.

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Granted STO's timeline puts the game a couple centuries beyond the TNG, DS9, & Voyager so they Borg aren't nearly as unstoppable as they once were.
A couple of centuries?

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And if you make them liberated Borg then it kills the lifer reward
No it doesn't. Playable Klingons on the fed side does nothing to sully the KDF faction. Playable Romulans are going to be used on both sides of that faction fence. The paid for Mirror Universe uniforms didn't kill that lifer reward. And so on and so forth.

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and once liberated I'm sure these folk are going to be headed home rather hang around other liberated drones.
That didn't work out too good for Icheb. The going home part.
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# 46
04-20-2013, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
Nope. STO makes the Borg ships balanced, and somewhat underpowered. Definitely something that could fit into the current framework of playable ships.



A couple of centuries?


No it doesn't. Playable Klingons on the fed side does nothing to sully the KDF faction. Playable Romulans are going to be used on both sides of that faction fence. The paid for Mirror Universe uniforms didn't kill that lifer reward. And so on and so forth.



That didn't work out too good for Icheb. The going home part.
As someone has already pointed out a player controlled cube would be a force to be reckoned with. If they nerf the ships to balance them against the other factions then it wouldn't work either, how would you explain why player ships don't have the same abilities as the PVE ones and make it plausible. All around its a nerdy munchkin idea.

Sorry if I'm off on the timeline, I'm not really into the details. I could care less about the stardate or what episode Kirk kissed a tribble. I do know its a ways past the TNG era and there would be advancements in technology that would counter the Borg making them less the threat than they once was. Which validates your above statement about STO making the Borg underpowered from what we seen in the episodes.

The Fed Klingon was added to please the Worf groupies, its just a race added to the faction and not a separate faction of orphaned Klingons. Which is basically what they will be doing with the liberated Borg. Whether it hurts the lifer reward or not its still a dumb idea.

While not all might be able to go home most will. To look at it sensibly put yourself in that situation. Once liberated are you going to hang around and try and form your own Lib Borg nation or are you going to try and find a way home to your family, friends, career, and the life you once had?

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# 47
04-20-2013, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by magnumstar View Post
While not all might be able to go home most will. To look at it sensibly put yourself in that situation. Once liberated are you going to hang around and try and form your own Lib Borg nation or are you going to try and find a way home to your family, friends, career, and the life you once had?
Canon suggests they follow anyone giving them true leadership - whether that's Lore or Hugh. They're not trying to get home in canon. They're trying to live with the idea that they are cut-off from the whole and as much machine as man.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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# 48
04-20-2013, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by thecosmic1 View Post
Canon suggests they follow anyone giving them true leadership - whether that's Lore or Hugh. They're not trying to get home in canon. They're trying to live with the idea that they are cut-off from the whole and as much machine as man.
Its the inability for them to take leadership and make decisions for themselves or the "I think therefor I am" equation that makes them non-viable for player faction status. The only folks that think a Borg faction is a good idea spend long hours in a dark room spanking the monkey to posters of the Borg Queen.
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# 49
04-20-2013, 12:00 PM
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Its the inability for them to take leadership and make decisions for themselves or the "I think therefor I am" equation that makes them non-viable for player faction status. The only folks that think a Borg faction is a good idea spend long hours in a dark room spanking the monkey to posters of the Borg Queen.
Except at the end of Descent we see that Hugh has stepped up to take leadership of the liberated borg. So now some 40 years later you have a borg society.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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# 50
04-20-2013, 12:06 PM
I could see a Liberated Borg faction, where the disparate Borg survivors (remember that story-wise, the Queen is dead and the Borg are destroyed due to the events of the Hive STF) band together to try and form their own society. But that wouldn't be a player faction- perhaps a reputation faction.
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