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# 851
05-08-2013, 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ruinsfate View Post
Undo the T'Varo Retro and Fleet T'Varo changes please.
You didn't really think they where stupid enough to release that ship the way it was before this change where you ?

I like the change its still the best of the warbirds imo.

I'll be flying it.

I very much like that I know have a Universal Lt. Commander on it.
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# 852
05-08-2013, 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by antoniosalieri View Post
You didn't really think they where stupid enough to release that ship the way it was before this change where you ?

I like the change its still the best of the warbirds imo.

I'll be flying it.

I very much like that I know have a Universal Lt. Commander on it.
Seems like most people never could see past the 5 tac consoles and realize the ship had a much worse boff layout then it does now. I like it too, kind of like a cross between a bop and a vet ship with EBC, and I will be able to use all of my BOP builds on it now where as before I couldn't.

Last edited by marc8219; 05-08-2013 at 03:45 AM. Reason: typo
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# 853
05-08-2013, 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
Seems like most people never could see past the 5 tac consoles and realize the ship had a much worse boff layout then before. I like it too, kind of like a cross between a bop and a vet ship with EBC, and I will be able to use all of my BOP builds on it now where as before I couldn't.
Exactly how I see it... I love the new seating... the 5th tac console I won't miss and was OP on a ship with EBC anyway. Even 4 to be honest might be a bit of a concern... but should be ok.

Now though in the middle of a fight I can swap between VM Shockwave Warp Plasma DEM even a GW if the spam is bad... with the change of ONE boff from LT to LT CMD...

That adaptability is the only bonus the all uni layout on the bop has anymore... this is 90% as good in a ship with NONE of the bop draw backs... frankly it is still a bit Over powered... but I'll take it.
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# 854
05-08-2013, 03:47 AM
Yeah from a fed escort pilot perspective it may be worse, but from a B'rel pilot perspective this is the dream ship. These Fed only players need to start thinking more like Romulans or BOP pilots then they will see this ship is perfect now.
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# 855
05-08-2013, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by antoniosalieri View Post
Exactly how I see it... I love the new seating... the 5th tac console I won't miss and was OP on a ship with EBC anyway. Even 4 to be honest might be a bit of a concern... but should be ok.

Now though in the middle of a fight I can swap between VM Shockwave Warp Plasma DEM even a GW if the spam is bad... with the change of ONE boff from LT to LT CMD...

That adaptability is the only bonus the all uni layout on the bop has anymore... this is 90% as good in a ship with NONE of the bop draw backs... frankly it is still a bit Over powered... but I'll take it.
I don't know about using that universal slot for Engi, though. Having no Sci at all makes me a bit nervous.
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# 856
05-08-2013, 04:43 AM
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I don't know about using that universal slot for Engi, though. Having no Sci at all makes me a bit nervous.
You would still have the Lt Sci

What I would think would make sense would be something like this

Commander Tac
Tac Team 1 - Attack Pattern Delta 1 - Rapid Fire 2 - Omega 3

Ensign Tac
High Yield 1 - (High Yield 2) - (Rapid Fire 2)

Then setup 4 boffs like this

Transfer Shield Strength 1 - Hazards 2 - (Shockwave 1)
Emergency Power to Engines 1 - Emergency Power to Shields 2 - (EWP 1)
Tractor 1 - Polarized hull 2 - (TBR 2)
Emergency Power to Engines 1 - Emergency Power to Shields 2 - (DEM 2)

Anyway I hope you get my point... you keep the basic heals you need in the 2 lt slots. but you can bump up a bunch of options to change out that Lt Commander skill. Most BOP players do basicly that swapping the seatings on 2 boffs to completely change the build in the matter of a couple seconds.
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# 857
05-08-2013, 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by antoniosalieri View Post
You would still have the Lt Sci

What I would think would make sense would be something like this

Commander Tac
Tac Team 1 - Attack Pattern Delta 1 - Rapid Fire 2 - Omega 3

Ensign Tac
High Yield 1 - (High Yield 2) - (Rapid Fire 2)

Then setup 4 boffs like this

Transfer Shield Strength 1 - Hazards 2 - (Shockwave 1)
Emergency Power to Engines 1 - Emergency Power to Shields 2 - (EWP 1)
Tractor 1 - Polarized hull 2 - (TBR 2)
Emergency Power to Engines 1 - Emergency Power to Shields 2 - (DEM 2)

Anyway I hope you get my point... you keep the basic heals you need in the 2 lt slots. but you can bump up a bunch of options to change out that Lt Commander skill. Most BOP players do basicly that swapping the seatings on 2 boffs to completely change the build in the matter of a couple seconds.
But wait, I could've sworn......*double-checks boff seating*....derp, For some reason I thought the T'Varo had two Engi Lt slots. My mistake.

And yes, I agree with the flexibility bit. I used to do the same with my Mobius before I replaced it with a Wells.
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Ishmael@scurry5: A Nibbling Sci
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# 858
05-08-2013, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by scurry5 View Post
But wait, I could've sworn......*double-checks boff seating*....derp, For some reason I thought the T'Varo had two Engi Lt slots. My mistake.

And yes, I agree with the flexibility bit. I used to do the same with my Mobius before I replaced it with a Wells.
All good... you had me get annoyed at first... I was like wait I think I read something wrong this isn't good. lol

Ya people can't see past the change to the the tac consoles. Now its much more inline with a "tac" style bop setup now and I love it.
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# 859
05-08-2013, 05:51 AM
Gonna miss my Dhelan being a zippier destroyer :/
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# 860
05-08-2013, 06:21 AM
Ha'apax - two in one, but not really?

Funny thing you've done there with the Ha'apax and its separated versions, selling the base one as a cruiser and its separated forms as an escort and a science vessel. Seems weird when you look at the models themselves, but on the other hand it was a good decission to give free players a choice of a ship class at endgame, regardless of the model.

Still, considering how Fleet Ha'nom has 5 science consoles and Fleet Ha'feh has 5 tactical consoles, it would be a good idea to give Fleet Ha'apax 5 engineering consoles while keeping Fleet D'deridex with 4 engi and 3 tac - the thing that many players are crying for. Just an idea...
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