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# 11
04-20-2013, 09:54 AM
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Every cruiser ever designed for Star Trek has shuttle bays. That does not mean in Star Trek Online its deserving of carrier or flight-deck status. That's just not realistically how the ships are intended.
The vesta would like a word with you.
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# 12
04-20-2013, 10:21 AM
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The vesta would like a word with you.
I hear you but there is pandora's box. If we say flight-deck is good for one ship, where does it end?
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# 13
04-20-2013, 02:39 PM
and what about a sub categori of fly-deck, one with less abilitie ( no warp plasma, tractor beam, tackyon drone ect...) just simple pet that fire torpedo and beam ( no hight hull and shield too) and a reduce number of pet?
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# 14
04-20-2013, 06:13 PM
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I hear you but there is pandora's box. If we say flight-deck is good for one ship, where does it end?
Indeed, but the box has already been opened with the vesta. A ship with science strength shields, subsystem targeting, sensor analysis , escort cannons, escort maneuverability, plenty tac slots AND a hangar to boot. The vesta totally outclasses every other science ship on the roster just by sporting cannons OR the hangar. It makes most science vessels redundant - except carriers and lobi ships.

If it has been done with science, why not do it with engineering as well?
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# 15
04-20-2013, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by drkfrontiers View Post
Every cruiser ever designed for Star Trek has shuttle bays. That does not mean in Star Trek Online its deserving of carrier or flight-deck status. That's just not realistically how the ships are intended.
As I stated , it was more for non-owner point of view. But if you go by the info from the tv show that was gathered , even the movies the galaxy class has easily the biggest shuttle bay for a star-fleet ship shown on screen with an msd. That also being said , I never liked the way things were broken into starship classes anyway. But that's just me.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starship_classification
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Warship

Like I said , I could not careless if the galaxy is changed at all. I just dislike how everything is expected to fit within a small predefined notion when really, most don't stay that way and can't to improve if they do stay within the "box". That being said , star-fleet loved to call all their ships cruiser for some reason. That being said as well , they also loved to call science ships scouts and the other way around sometimes.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Science_vessel
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Scout_ship

I've most likely ranted to long, my apologizes but to sum this up quickly , I find the idea that a ship is limited to it's "title" a little silly. Nebula classes could change their roll from high powered scanning anything else on top , same for some other ship. Why couldn't other modules be changed out on other ships? Still this game is very limited it seems in the idea that ships are just that ships and a ship can easily change.
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# 16
04-20-2013, 09:33 PM
If it only had one hangar slot I doubt it would be game breaking.

As as for the argument of size I reming you that the vo'quv some how stored 4 BOP,s in its internal spaces and the kar'fi can store 4 of those ugly frigates. so for breaking immersion/common sense/the laws of physics, it has already happened.
Actualy reading things pefore posting will make you look smarter than yelling loudly. Reading comprehension is aparently a lost art.

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# 17
04-20-2013, 11:06 PM
A carrier ? for the Spock's love NO, NO, AND NO.
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# 18
04-21-2013, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by drkfrontiers View Post
Every cruiser ever designed for Star Trek has shuttle bays. That does not mean in Star Trek Online its deserving of carrier or flight-deck status. That's just not realistically how the ships are intended.
As much as I love fighters I have to agree, I mean even the Defiant had shuttlepods.
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# 19
04-21-2013, 09:42 AM
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A carrier ? for the Spock's love NO, NO, AND NO.
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As much as I love fighters I have to agree, I mean even the Defiant had shuttlepods.
I tend to agree, no reason to turn every ship in the game into a "flight deck cruiser" or "carrier escort". I'm just saying if you look at the msd and info scale of the ships , I must say it seems logical that galaxy class could do it if it liked. I mean this game allows something the size of an Akira class or Zephyr class, Steamrunner like, ship to send out a few runabouts or attack craft. I understand they are not the default layout of the "Heavy escort carrier" , just saying along with the other comments about the KDF ships being able to send out ships much larger then they could , also before I forget the "Jem'Hadar carrier". Also the in game small ship scales tend to be way off, most likely for game play or engine limit reasons.

In game ship scales: http://www.phan.org/sto/pics/ShipChart.jpg
In game shuttle scales: http://www.phan.org/sto/pics/BadShuttleChart.jpg

Like I said the idea of turning every ship , even the galaxy into a "flight deck cruiser" or any non-sense like that would likely go badly for game play reasons. I'm just saying if any ship on the Federation side that should of been turned into a mixed ship should of been the Galaxy class not only do to it's scale compared to the proper scale of shuttles but because it's also the only ship I remember in the show that sent out shuttles to help it in combat or had runabout escort it.

Sources for that is of course TNG, Episode 4x01 "The Best of Both Worlds, Part II" and DS9, Episode 2x26 "The Jem'Hadar"
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_..._%28episode%29
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_..._%28episode%29

To sum this up again, I'm not saying they should do this to the Galaxy class. I'm just saying had they decided to do this sooner to Federation ships it would of made more sense to do it to the Galaxy but that time is past since the "Heavy escort carrier" is here. Also , the scale of the Jem'hadar attack ship seems to vary a bit.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Jem%27Hadar_fighter
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# 20
04-22-2013, 06:56 AM
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I tend to agree, no reason to turn every ship in the game into a "flight deck cruiser" or "carrier escort". I'm just saying if you look at the msd and info scale of the ships , I must say it seems logical that galaxy class could do it if it liked. I mean this game allows something the size of an Akira class or Zephyr class, Steamrunner like, ship to send out a few runabouts or attack craft. I understand they are not the default layout of the "Heavy escort carrier" , just saying along with the other comments about the KDF ships being able to send out ships much larger then they could , also before I forget the "Jem'Hadar carrier". Also the in game small ship scales tend to be way off, most likely for game play or engine limit reasons.
For the second time in this thread: the Akira class is an in-universe carrier. It is described as being capable of fielding more than 60 craft (40+ combat vessels, 20+ support and auxiliary craft) yet it can only field a maximum of 6 ingame. It's internal structure (specifically it's saucer section) is build primarily to hold, service and launch those craft. Unlike the Galaxy's interior, which is built primarily for multi-purpose research and exploration. Saying "well the Galaxy is bigger, so it should hold more ships" is very, very incorrect.

On top of that, based on shown dimensions of several of the Galaxy's shuttle bays, ships like Runabouts or Peregrines wouldn't even fit.

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Like I said the idea of turning every ship , even the galaxy into a "flight deck cruiser" or any non-sense like that would likely go badly for game play reasons. I'm just saying if any ship on the Federation side that should of been turned into a mixed ship should of been the Galaxy class not only do to it's scale compared to the proper scale of shuttles but because it's also the only ship I remember in the show that sent out shuttles to help it in combat or had runabout escort it.
The runabouts that accompanied the Oddysey were not carried by that ship. They launched from, and returned to, a completely separate base of operations (DS9).

The only ships that have carrier bays (with the exception of the Vesta, because it's a bizzaro ship built solely to generate money from C-Store purchases) are those that realistically could field large numbers of craft.
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