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USS Vengeance From Into Darkness *spoilers* - Page 11 - Star Trek Online
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# 101
04-25-2013, 08:42 AM
I'm looking forward to May for a lot of reasons now.
I liked the 2009 movie as an action science fiction flick and although there were a lot of inconsistencies that I chafed against and did and still do hate the cheap location shooting for lower ship levels, I still found it very enjoyable.
I think all this kneejerk autohate of the Abrams reboot is getting a bit comically repetitive and all of the foaming at the mouth nerd-geek ranting has never been of help to the franchise whatsoever at any time in it's history, it hasn't helped the franchise move forward, it's held it back, stifled creativity and stigmatized it. The whole point of the alt-timeline reboot was to pry the franchise out of the stranglehold of these dogmatic lunatics and give the franchise a chance at a new future.
I have to laugh a people touting their careers as if it legitimizes their remarks, unless you are a 23rd century naval architect specializing in combat spacecraft all you are bringing to the table is an opinion no more important than anyone else's.
I like the design of the Vengeance, it has a recognizable Starfleet silhouette while still giving the appearance of being heavily armored and bristling with heavy weaponry. It's a pity that the likely plot of this movie will result in it's eventual destruction, I actually much prefer it's design to that of the rather fragile looking Enterprise.
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# 102
04-25-2013, 10:08 AM
It definitely looks more oriented to combat that exploration. The armor and weapons make sense, but the donut saucer doesn't make any sense to me at all.

There are two ways in film that a villian's percieved invincibility can be portrayed effectively. One is through size, the other is their ability strike at the hero without being seen or struck back, and Star Trek has beat both of these two concepts to death with a Louisville Slugger bat. It works, and that's not likely to change anytime soon.

I don't see anything wrong with the villian (or the villian's ship in this case) being big. When something or someone is bigger than you, you automatically associate that with strength, power, or grandness (the few exceptions not withstanding). How many of Hitler's superweapons were based on size? US tankers were terrorized of an encounter with a Tiger. The British were so afraid of the Bismarck with it's big new 15" guns getting out into the Atlantic that almost the entire Home fleet was devoted to sinking it and it's sister Tirpitz. While it is true that bigger is not always better, it does have a certain psychological effect an enemy. The same way a cat will make it's hair stand up to make itself appear bigger, or the way a bear stands up on it's hind legs before it attacks, bigger can demoralize an enemy before the fight ever starts. Most villians understand this concept, and trying to have the bigger gun, or the bigger ship, etc. can help to give them an advantage in a fight. This is especially true in movies and TV. It helps portray just how dire and serious the situation is for the protagonist. You can find it almost anywhere. The Russian would not have been nearly as imposing if he were closer in size or smaller to the Punisher. I don't think the story of David vs. Goliath would've been used to reference anything from war to sporting events if Goliath was anything but a giant.

There is nothing wrong with making the villian big, and it doesn't necessarily mean that big equals evil, because it absolutely does not.
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# 103
04-25-2013, 11:58 AM
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Mostly because he's a talentless hack who has somehow managed to make it into the industry, only to flood it with a lot of mediocre and pretentious garbage. The execs seem to treat him like he's some kind of wunderkind, yet his output is does not live up to the hype. As someone posted over the page, JJ could not produce a work as spectacular as 2001: A Space Odyssey or ST: The Motion Picture if is life depended upon it. He does nothing more than ride on the coat-tails of whatever franchise he's decided to work on and remake it in his own image.
While I wouldn't put him up there with other directors, I wouldn't call him 'talentless' either

I thought Lost was pretty good, as I enjoy a show with many plot elements to keep up with. And I might add, ST2009 made more money that any other previous ST film, plus it did pretty well with most critics and the general crowd.

Maybe the film wasn't what everyone wanted, but it got the job done: reinvigorated Star Trek.

And P.S, you're using Motion Picture as an example of a 'spectacular' work?
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# 104
04-25-2013, 12:08 PM
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And what Hollywood studio do you work for?

How many films have you directed?

Didn't think so.
Glad to see my above point went way over your head...
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# 105
04-25-2013, 12:19 PM
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I have to laugh a people touting their careers as if it legitimizes their remarks
Touting?

Responding to a legitimate (if ironically distasteful) question is hardly 'touting'... As for the rest of your opinion, you're certainly entitled to it
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# 106
04-25-2013, 12:22 PM
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It definitely looks more oriented to combat that exploration. The armor and weapons make sense, but the donut saucer doesn't make any sense to me at all.
Actually, I can see a purpose to that. While weight is irrelevant in space (there being effectively no gravity), mass, and therefore inertia, remain a constant. Eliminating as much mass as possible from the design will decrease inertia, thus will allow the ship to accelerate and maneuver more nimbly. If that saucer area can be removed without compromising the ship's structural integrity, it would make sense.
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# 107
04-25-2013, 12:27 PM
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While I wouldn't put him up there with other directors, I wouldn't call him 'talentless' either
Okay, maybe not 'talentless', but he's no Ridley Scott...

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I thought Lost was pretty good, as I enjoy a show with many plot elements to keep up with. And I might add, ST2009 made more money that any other previous ST film, plus it did pretty well with most critics and the general crowd.
"Perform for applause, and applause is all you'll get..."

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Maybe the film wasn't what everyone wanted, but it got the job done: reinvigorated Star Trek.
An online game and a couple of movies every few years is hardly 'reinvigorated'... Personally, I don't think Trek needed reinvigorating. It had a strong backstory of work, a loyal following, and massive cultural impact. They just called it 'Star Trek' because it was guaranteed to bring in the dollar...

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And P.S, you're using Motion Picture as an example of a 'spectacular' work?
Sure, it drags something chronic, and could do with a good 15 minutes of exterior shots edited out, but in terms of plot and story, it is a fantastic piece of work...

PS Never watched Lost, and no plans to...
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# 108
04-25-2013, 03:43 PM
I would say reinvigorate if it brought in new fans who have never been fans before. I would say reinvigorate if they start putting out tech manuals again (that's something they said was too expensive to create back towards the end of the prime timeline era. I would say reinvigorate if they started selling a toyline again. All of those are true.

The franchise needed a kick, in terms of story-telling and entertaining the masses in the last decade, it was failing, but it had a good run of nearly two decades near continous Trek for the better part of the year.

You are very naive if you think that the TPTB put out Trek solely for the purpose of story-telling and expanding the franchise, no its always about money.

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# 109
04-25-2013, 04:03 PM
It did invigorate the IP....STID is one of the most anticipated movies of the summer, non Trekkies/ Trekkers are excited for this movie....when was the last time that happened??? Star Trek II or III?
Like it or not for Trek to survive it must evolve....just like Batman and James Bond, Trek must be flexible and change with the times. We have had six series and several movies of old trek...it's still around easily available for viewing on Netflix. It's time to be open minded and give new trek a chance....just like when we all calmed down and gave TNG a chance when it first came out.
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# 110
04-25-2013, 04:53 PM
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I would say reinvigorate if it brought in new fans who have never been fans before.
Yes, it has possibly created new awareness of the franchise, but I don't consider that reinvigoration, as there are no new ongoing series. Just a movie in 09 and another one 4 years later... There're TV shows which have had runs shorter than that /

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I would say reinvigorate if they start putting out tech manuals again (that's something they said was too expensive to create back towards the end of the prime timeline era. I would say reinvigorate if they started selling a toyline again. All of those are true.
That's not reinvigorating the franchise, that's just marketing to bring in the Dollar...

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The franchise needed a kick, in terms of story-telling and entertaining the masses in the last decade, it was failing, but it had a good run of nearly two decades near continous Trek for the better part of the year.
Personally speaking, I'd disagree that it needed a kick, the original episodes are still showing on Sky for anyone who wants to watch them. I agree, yes, with a nearly twenty year run, that is awesome. Doesn't mean it needs to keep going though... Even Pammy and The Hoff knew when it was time to hang up the red costumes... (although I am sure that there would be many fans of Baywatch who would go and see a movie if one was released...)

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You are very naive if you think that the TPTB put out Trek solely for the purpose of story-telling and expanding the franchise, no its always about money.
Precisely...
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