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# 131
07-17-2013, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by adjudicatorhawk View Post
Because Disruptor debuffs were being boosted by bonus damage, a de-cloaking disruptor boat running a full alpha strike with 3-5 disruptor tac consoles could easily put out a debuff somewhere between 4 to 7 times higher than intended. This edge case of burst damage is part of why alpha strikes were regularly so absurd (though a very small part - the largest part is the extent to which our damage buff powers can stack on a given entity)
I'm just noting this for your benefit in case you don't know: You do realize that "perfect" PvP play in the current game, players just don't die? Its way to easy to absorb damage with all the gear and rep powers and etc that have cropped up. It takes a fully buffed Alpha Strike with 2 or 3 SNB to reliably kill another player. Also, notice how an Engineer doesn't really factor into that (and won't survive any easier, since his/her Engy capt powers will also get SNB'd off; honestly, I could also go into how Engy [and Sci] aren't useful for PvE either, but that isn't the point of this post).
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# 132
07-17-2013, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by atatassault View Post
I'm just noting this for your benefit in case you don't know: You do realize that "perfect" PvP play in the current game, players just don't die? Its way to easy to absorb damage with all the gear and rep powers and etc that have cropped up. It takes a fully buffed Alpha Strike with 2 or 3 SNB to reliably kill another player. Also, notice how an Engineer doesn't really factor into that (and won't survive any easier, since his/her Engy capt powers will also get SNB'd off; honestly, I could also go into how Engy [and Sci] aren't useful for PvE either, but that isn't the point of this post).
Not true... the meta has changed... it no longer takes 3 sci to complete a match with out wanting to gouge your eyes out.

People are starting to adjust.
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# 133
07-17-2013, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by antoniosalieri View Post
LOL

Dude I heard you moaning in Opvp this morning as well.

Get over it... the dev has set the record right.

No matter how much we QQ about something it doesn't get a fix unless it is in fact broken.

In this case yes we all know it was broken. I don't know what patch along the way broke it but we all know that it was broken by accident at some point.

Disruptors used to be an ok weapon that was pretty balanced but not insane... and it really didn't matter if you where a Science Engi or Tac captain they did about the same debuff.

At some point they broke that... if I had to guess it would be code tied to the same code that for awhile was giving massive resist numbers to Attack Pattern Delta via tactical buffs.

In any event it will be fixed shortly so get over it.

Run Disruptors if you like still they are still quite viable... they are still one of the only wepaon types that allows you to stack a ton of procs thanks to lockbox weapons.

I have 1 or 2 toons that are running disruptors now and they will be later as well.

If you don't want to run them anymore cause there not broken any longer feel free to grab a set of polarons or tetryons or phasers... or phased polaron or phased tetryon... or perhaps be wild and grab some APs... bottom line is you shouldn't see to much difference in your DPS numbers... Base dmg is always base dmg... the procs are just nice little adds.

PS I also send $ there way... and I appreciate them WORKING on the game... I appreciate that they are willing to take a second or two to set people right as to why they in fact word during the day as well.
all above doesnt make any change that this dev calls his attention a reward,which clearly states that he feels like god, which isnt a good attitude to have to your customers, who are aswell the people who pay his loan, you aswell as me.if i go to a shop and i ask a qeustion, and the guy working in the shop says that he rewards me with his mighty attention, i would punch him down to the ground.

about youre post,yeah, that one guy in pvp got almost the same attitude.

you are corrrect about the point that base damage still is the same damage,the problem is, that a minority of players, or whinners, get what they want,a nerf to a specific weapon proc,that weapon is the main weapon of a faction,that,which is another story,but this fits in perfectly,almost get no new stuff,ships or the attention reward for being nice,a nerf to a whole bunch of fleet weaponry,aswell as a double nerf for fleet weapons on klingon side.

thats the problem, a small amount of whinners getting what they want, screw everything listed above,and get away with it. also, doesnt a plasma proc gets boosted in another way? when we gonna nerf that????

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# 134
07-17-2013, 05:23 PM
This is just annoying. 2nd time this past month PvP players get an express (24 hours or less) bug fix while the MACO costume bug remains as "were working on it" status for 3 months.
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# 135
07-17-2013, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by lucho80 View Post
This is just annoying. 2nd time this past month PvP players get an express (24 hours or less) bug fix while the MACO costume bug remains as "were working on it" status for 3 months.
not all pvpers agree with this absurd move mate, and yeah, the maco bug sucks.
i'm sorry not everyone gets rewarded with attention...
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# 136
07-17-2013, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by borgressistance View Post
all above doesnt make any change that this dev calls his attention a reward,which clearly states that he feels like god, which isnt a good attitude to have to your customers, who are aswell the people who pay his loan, you aswell as me.
If he had said any of that...all sorts of folks would have been all over him.

But as he didn't say that...er...

All he said was...

"I wouldn't usually respond to sentiment like this, because I don't like to reward negativity on the forums, but this is just simply not true."

It's not saying that his replies or attention is a reward. It's no different than what the mods tell folks - don't respond to crap like that, don't give them the attention (don't reward them), etc, etc, etc.

That's all he said...sheesh.

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Originally Posted by newromulan1 View Post
It's so funny reading people saying "you &^$%$*$ - why did you have to go a take the Disruptors unfair advantage away - that is so unfair!! I am going to stomp my feet till i get my unfair advantage back!!"
Ahem, there are little pieces of Cheetos all over my desk now...damn you!
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# 137
07-17-2013, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lucho80 View Post
This is just annoying. 2nd time this past month PvP players get an express (24 hours or less) bug fix while the MACO costume bug remains as "were working on it" status for 3 months.
An express fix? 24 hours or less?

This thread was started 4/24...
...almost three months later, there is a patch on Tribble - that doesn't address the issues raised in this thread.

Seriously?

Man, oh man...I don't think I have enough Excedrin to deal with the /quadruplefacepalm you just caused me...
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# 138
07-17-2013, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
If he had said any of that...all sorts of folks would have been all over him.

But as he didn't say that...er...

All he said was...

"I wouldn't usually respond to sentiment like this, because I don't like to reward negativity on the forums, but this is just simply not true."

It's not saying that his replies or attention is a reward. It's no different than what the mods tell folks - don't respond to crap like that, don't give them the attention (don't reward them), etc, etc, etc.

That's all he said...sheesh.
well, he says that he normally doesn response to such a thing,because he dont like to reward it...

his responses are an reward, thats how grammer applies in my country, how does it do in yours?
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# 139
07-17-2013, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by borgressistance View Post
all above doesnt make any change that this dev calls his attention a reward,which clearly states that he feels like god, which isnt a good attitude to have to your customers, who are aswell the people who pay his loan, you aswell as me.if i go to a shop and i ask a qeustion, and the guy working in the shop says that he rewards me with his mighty attention, i would punch him down to the ground.

about youre post,yeah, that one guy in pvp got almost the same attitude.

you are corrrect about the point that base damage still is the same damage,the problem is, that a minority of players, or whinners, get what they want,a nerf to a specific weapon proc,that weapon is the main weapon of a faction,that,which is another story,but this fits in perfectly,almost get no new stuff,ships or the attention reward for being nice,a nerf to a whole bunch of fleet weaponry,aswell as a double nerf for fleet weapons on klingon side.

thats the problem, a small amount of whinners getting what they want, screw everything listed above,and get away with it. also, doesnt a plasma proc gets boosted in another way? when we gonna nerf that????
Your analogy is a terrible one.

The Dev that responded to you isn't a garage mechanic... if your analogy was to apply it would be more like getting a personal letter from one of the Designers of your Ford F-150 when they recall a seat warmer. In general guys like that are under strict orders to not talk to end customers. You can be upset by the use of the word "reward" all you like. Frankly I think you need to bone up on your English a little bit. You are reading meaning into a sentence that was not worded that way.

The proc was not working as intended. Honestly if you are upset that you blew thousands of Dithium on a set of fleet disruptors that you now feel are less then you expected. Take it up with customer service. Not the Game Designer who's job it is to ensure that all mechanics are uniform. He felt he needed to come here and try to explain to you that PvP or no PvP he would have made the change anyway.

Honestly if you claim to have been listening to the Disruptor QQ... and descriptions of exactly how it was broken for as long as you have. Perhaps you should have taken that into consideration before dropping your hard earned D on them. lol

I think any long time player in this game could have told you that at some point they would get corrected. We all knew they where off, honestly I think if you scroll back in this thread I bet you can find one of the big bad PvPers warning people that they would in fact be corrected at some point.

In any event... relax your fleet disruptors are still killer... and if you have the E versions they are still far and away the best weapons in the game... so chill out.
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# 140
07-17-2013, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by borgressistance View Post
not all pvpers agree with this absurd move mate, and yeah, the maco bug sucks.
i'm sorry not everyone gets rewarded with attention...
Ya not all... just 99%.... pretty much everyone minus borg. lol

Also this disruptor mechanic has been bug reported by multiple people multiple times over the last 5-6 months for sure... and perhaps before that.
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