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# 21
04-25-2013, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by cryptkeeper0 View Post
Geko said they are looking to make a Romulan science vessel seen on tng available some time after launch.
THIS^^^^

The current lineup is just to have something available for the beta testing. They're not placeholders, but the lineup isn't complete yet.
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# 22
04-25-2013, 11:26 AM
Yeah, the Ha'apax tier 5 warbird is supposed to be sci, I'm thinking the current layout is just a placeholder.

In the meantime, I'm fine with the limited number of lower tier ships, but would love some universal BoFF slots in there. Even if its a c-store version it would add some flexibility considering its more or less one ship per tier at the moment

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# 23
04-25-2013, 12:12 PM
Most of the C-store ships come with a universal BOFF station, however I think the highest ranking universal slot I saw was a Lt. But, better than nothing I suppose.

Still, I feel like leaving science ships out is going to drastically limit the variety of Romulan captains. We need a Romulan equivalent of the Vesta, or at least a carrier.
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# 24
04-25-2013, 01:41 PM
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Universal stations is the only real solution to all this old skool static boff layouts Cryptic has been hugging for 3 years.
Cmdr Tac = Escort
Cmdr Eng = Cruiser
Cmdr Sci = Science Vessel

They think of the ships as classes (yeah, I don't get it either - it's as if the character is just part of the itemization for the ship rather than the ship being part of the itemization for the character)...

KDF Raiders get hit pretty hard in various areas for having that Uni BOFF layout. They're Geko's Assassins. Yes, he sees the ships as classes and the BoP's class is Assassin.

So, given that he thinks of the Romulans as a faction of Hybrid-Assassins...well, one might have expected to perhaps see those Cmdr slots being Tac/Eng/Sci...but there being far more Uni BOFFs for that "Assassin" role.

It's one of the inconsistencies that he says he does not like, that he keeps doing (kind of like him complaining about mudflation while constantly adding mudflation, eh?).

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The only downside I can think of by having static boff layouts per ship is less ships being sold. Stupid idea, but I guess they will never learn.
They operate under the belief (and it's kind of easy to agree with them on this), if you could do everything with one ship - you wouldn't need another ship. They want people to fly more than one ship...they want people to buy more than one ship.

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And no really, this will not totally unbalance the game. Did Klingon BoP's ever got super OP? Not really. They are still the weakest ships around overall, yet they all have 4 Uni stations which is ALOT more fun imo to work with imo.
They're his Assassins. They've got their decloak alpha vape/assassination...but out in the open, they're going to get shredded (figurative...it's kind of funny how well you can actually tank with a BoP in Ker'rat or PUGland queues).
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# 25
04-25-2013, 09:16 PM
I don't think ships would sell less if they had all universal boff stations, I think plenty of people would buy lots of different ships based on what turn rate/console layout/stats they preferred, and which ships were their favorite. I know several people who collect all the lock box ships, all the cstore ships, all of everything really, simply cause they want to have it all. And I think that if they were to separate consoles from ships so you could buy the consoles you want and the ships you want, many people would buy all the consoles at 5-10 bucks a pop, many more ships would get sold at 10-15 bucks a pop, and the player base wouldn't have near riotous reactions to the suggestion of "the fleet D'deridex might have the same bridge layout as the fleet galaxy."
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# 26
04-25-2013, 09:38 PM
No science ship, no flying T5 fed/kdf faction ships........ Looks like I may not roll a Romulan for a while... lol
I'll stop kicking that horse when the bugs fixed. Until then as a paying consumer, I will voice my opinion.
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# 27
04-26-2013, 12:38 AM
I was really sad to see this too, especially after finding out I can't have my Vesta on my Romulan toon. I paid good money for that thing--bought the full Vesta pack--and as someone who does NOT generally buy C-store ships, I do not regret my Vesta purchase in the slightest: it has proven well worth it.

It really takes away a lot of incentive to spend a lot of time with this character after completing the storyline, unless a suitable solution is found (either allowing the Vesta or Fleet RSV, or providing a reasonable alternative--i.e. NOT at a ripoff price for something that will only be used on one toon).

Sure, maybe it's a weakness on my part as a player, but the Vesta and RSV are the only ships I have ever REALLY clicked with. Without having them, or something similar, playing the Romulan toon will become a chore. :-/
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# 28
04-26-2013, 01:18 AM
Incidentally, one thing I really liked about the Varanus was that it was not only a science vessel, but also a "fleet support" vessel. The deployable platforms--up to five of which can be out at a time--provide hull healing drones as well as aoe stealth around the platforms. I would love to see both the Federation and the Romulans eventually end up with ships that can function in that manner. Sort of a cross between a carrier and a science ship.

Yeah, Geko said that the canon Rommie sci ship looked "boring" and too much like other romulan ships, but regardless of that I think a lot of players would like to see a Romulan ship with cmdr sci available at launch. It seems strange that there will literally be no way to use a cmdr sci boff to the fullest extent at launch except by flying a T4 Fed or KDF science vessel or a lockbox ship.

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# 29
04-26-2013, 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by theindefatigable View Post
Incidentally, one thing I really liked about the Varanus was that it was not only a science vessel, but also a "fleet support" vessel. The deployable platforms--up to five of which can be out at a time--provide hull healing drones as well as aoe stealth around the platforms. I would love to see both the Federation and the Romulans eventually end up with ships that can function in that manner. Sort of a cross between a carrier and a science ship.

Yeah, Geko said that the canon Rommie sci ship looked "boring" and too much like other romulan ships, but regardless of that I think a lot of players would like to see a Romulan ship with cmdr sci available at launch. It seems strange that there will literally be no way to use a cmdr sci boff to the fullest extent at launch except by flying a T4 Fed or KDF science vessel or a lockbox ship.
In that recent UGC interviews geko podcast one of the hosts pitched cruisers gaining a "paladin" aura type ability to support the ships around them which geko said he liked, so maybe there will be something like that implemented.
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# 30
04-26-2013, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by wrathofachilles View Post
In that recent UGC interviews geko podcast one of the hosts pitched cruisers gaining a "paladin" aura type ability to support the ships around them which geko said he liked, so maybe there will be something like that implemented.
It's mildly off-topic, but yeah. When I heard that, I immediately thought that sort of thing would be great to have on my Bortas. I find people tend to gather around/follow it naturally and it is a ship that benefits from having people escort it if it's built as a siege platform.
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