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# 1 Of Romulans and Klingons
03-16-2013, 11:36 AM
The possibility of a Romulan faction waltzing into STO and all the hype that caught up with some people on the forums, reminded me of an old rivalry.

Now, first of all this tread is NOT about:

-Wheather the hype about a Rommie faction is reasonable or not
-Wheather there will be a Romulan faction in the next update or not
-Will the KDF be fully completed before introduction of Romulans
-How a third faction will influence the development of the KDF

What I wanted is to ask is how all the fellow warriors of the KDF would view a RSE faction introduction in STO?

I myself, have always been supportive of the idea to have a Romulan faction in STO. Not because I have an intention of playing as one (okay, if there is a Rom. faction I'd check it out as every human being to see what's new around, but don't intend to play them), but because of what it could bring on the table.
I'm more of a fan of the Klingon - Romulan rivalry and for me having the opportunity to fight against actual Romulan players in their green ships would vastly increase the fun levels of the game. Feds. don't amuse me any more.

Also, I consider the possibility of 3-way open PvP to be refreshing and to open up many new possibilities.
I mentioned this in a post elsewhere, but the way I see it is: battlecloak on, drinking raktajino in a battle zone, observing the casual Fed. roaming around. A Romulan ship decloaks and catches the Fed. off guard by surprise, they engage each other and then - well it's bye bye Rommie time! Oh, the possibility to blast those green warbirds seems so fun!
If Romulan faction ever comes, I'm giving the Feds. more breathing space and setting my targeting systems to green!

I was wondering, how would other KDF players see and act on the Romulans in game?
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Captain
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# 2
03-16-2013, 12:21 PM
i think a premise & plot outline should be produced & posted with requirements for what is expected and by when.
then a cash(zen?) prise for who can create the best 'season' based on that information which then becomes an official new season.

this could also be used as a method for improving/expending existing 'episodes' and 'seasons'. example being the 'checks and balences' mission in the foundry.
or giving the klingons their own seasons that link into ingame conon like the vault, without it being pretty much just the fed mission...

even for stf and borg content could be done using the same mercenary model.
If you like the RPG trinity, then you hate MMOs, you hate working, competitive fair PvP, you hate balanced engaging solo content,
and,
you hate PvE "adventure zones". because the trinity is incompatible with any of these.
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# 3
03-16-2013, 12:23 PM
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I was wondering, how would other KDF players see and act on the Romulans in game?
More targets! Bring 'em on!
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# 4
03-16-2013, 01:23 PM
I am loving the potential of a three faction game... So much potentials for stories, rivalries and pvp stuff...

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Captain
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# 5
03-16-2013, 02:05 PM
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More targets! Bring 'em on!
Warbirds blow up pretty.

In a perfect world of STO, I would have loved to see 4 full factions, fleshed out with a good selection of inherent faction ships. Not this terrible looking mismatched fleet we have now with ships mixed in from too many sources on whatever side.

I would have loved to see with some stories:

Federation - Stretched to the very limits, more so than the terrible Dominion War from decades past. In between the Borg, Undine (which they choose to ignore), and the war with the Klingons, as well as trying to defend by far the largest single territory in the quadrant, Starfleet is stretched to its limits. Unlike the Dominion War, it has no outside allies of any notable strength. The Klingons are again enemies, Cardassia is still a smouldering ruin, and of all the idiotic things, the Federation insists in interfering with the Romulans' internal affairs. Starfleet is still easily the largest military power in the quadrant, but it's stretched far too thin. The quadrant is going to crash down on the Federation, and Starfleet must meet the threats while spread out all over the place.

Klingon Empire - Klingons live for battle and a chance to earn glory. And the quadrant is in total chaos. Across the quadrant, everybody is focused primarily on the war between the Klingons and Federation. And what better joy is there to make small jabs at their old racial enemies, the Romulans as a sideshow? But only the Klingons seem to comprehend the extend of the Undine threat which still persists, not to mention new Borg incursions. But the Chancellor knows that the Empire is on the verge of putting itself in the same position as the Federation... war and glory is good, but grand strategy shows that with all the threats out there and a tough war with the Federation, the Empire will be stretched too thin.

Romulan Star Empire - As an officer in the Romulan navy, you are serving an Empire that has been terribly weakened and fragmented. The loss of Romulus will never be healed. There is a breakaway element of the Romulans, and the Remans have taken advantage for independence in light of the Empire's weakness, and there's little it can do to stop it at the moment. Even the vaunted Tal Shiar has suffered severe reversals. The original government left by Empress Sela is in shambles due to her disappearance and several powerful figures are vying for the throne. On top of this, both the Federation and Klingons, seeing the Empire at its weakest state in its history have seen fit to meddle with its internal affairs. They both seek to break up any chance of the Romulans from reunifying any of its strength left from the home planet's destruction.

IMO, the Romulans have a very great potential for a storied campaign of revenge.
- You will participate in a civil war between competitors trying to replace Sela as Emperor / Empress. Eventually, one will be decided. Maybe Sela herself returns?
- With the original Romulan Empire's government and power more solidified, it is now time to take action against these "Reunification" separatists in New Romulus, and to finish for good the rebelling Remans. The Romulan military with its rallied Tal Shiar will wage a campaign of annihalation. To crush these Reunification and Reman separatists. Wipe them out... all of them. Beat the Romulan Reunificationists into submission. Break the Remans for good so that they will never, ever be in strength anymore to stab the backs of the Empire.
- In dealing with the Reunificationists and Reman rebels, this will draw the ire of both the Federation and Klingon Empire. Encountering their forces as you increasingly grind the rebels under the Empire's heel will be expected. And you will deal with them. After all, it is their will that they wanted to interfere in Romulan internal affairs. It is the Federation and Klingons that both decided to carve up and divide the Empire at its weakest point in history. The Romulan military will wage another campaign to drive out for good the Federation and Klingon invaders out of its space.
- With the forceful, bloody, and very satisfying effort in kicking out the Federation, Klingons, and destroying any hint of rebellion, the newly reunified Romulan Star Empire needs to recover. But at the same time, insults from recent years cannot be ignored. To keep its neighboring foes at bay, the Romulan Empire seeks to solidify its power, but it must send some forces still to conduct offensives to keep the Federation and Klingons on their toes. They must be taught a lesson that they must again respect Romulan military might. What better way to do it than launching attacks on their bases along the Neutral Zones? And to send long ranged, cloaked strike forces deep behind their territories to cause chaos and destruction?

Lots of insults have been levied against the Romulan Empire while it was weak. Now it's time for the Empire to return the favor...

Dominion - TBD... but they do know what's going on in the Alpha Quadrant. And they do relish the alliance that once stood against them has shattered completely. The fact that DS9, a location of such strategic importance, fell (although temporary) to a single, lost Dominion fleet speaks volumes about the strength of its old foes. Opportunity awaits...

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# 6
03-16-2013, 03:27 PM
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Federation - Stretched to the very limits, more so than the terrible Dominion War from decades past. In between the Borg, Undine (which they choose to ignore), and the war with the Klingons, as well as trying to defend by far the largest single territory in the quadrant, Starfleet is stretched to its limits. Unlike the Dominion War, it has no outside allies of any notable strength. The Klingons are again enemies, Cardassia is still a smouldering ruin, and of all the idiotic things, the Federation insists in interfering with the Romulans' internal affairs. Starfleet is still easily the largest military power in the quadrant, but it's stretched far too thin. The quadrant is going to crash down on the Federation, and Starfleet must meet the threats while spread out all over the place.
1) the federation isn't ignoring the Undine they just don't use it as an excuse to invade other powers like the Klingons do, 2) D'tan is the closed thing to a functional Romulan government mostly becuase he isn't deluded enough to think the Romulans are still a mighty empire with their homeworld destroyed and their last leaders being a dupe for the people who destroyed their homeworld, and a tyrant that only focused on either devoting her military solely to revenge or crushing Romulans who are starting to move on with their lives, and their intelligence agency is in the pocket of the guys who blew up their homeworld. he's also the only one actually trying to rebuild the empire so yes the federation is helping him. 3) The federation is hardly stretched thin as The Romulans aren't that big a threat seeing as Starfleet kicked their butts in orbit of their own capital planet, the Klingons are contained for the most part, the Undine don't really do anything major except fight the Borg, and the Borg kind of look like their losing.

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Klingon Empire - Klingons live for battle and a chance to earn glory. And the quadrant is in total chaos. Across the quadrant, everybody is focused primarily on the war between the Klingons and Federation. And what better joy is there to make small jabs at their old racial enemies, the Romulans as a sideshow? But only the Klingons seem to comprehend the extend of the Undine threat which still persists, not to mention new Borg incursions. But the Chancellor knows that the Empire is on the verge of putting itself in the same position as the Federation... war and glory is good, but grand strategy shows that with all the threats out there and a tough war with the Federation, the Empire will be stretched too thin.
1) J'mpok is the one keeping the war with the federation going and doesn't seem to care if the KDF is stretched thin or not, 2) The only thing the Klingons are doing about the Undine is using them as an excuse to invade other planets.

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Romulan Star Empire - As an officer in the Romulan navy, you are serving an Empire that has been terribly weakened and fragmented. The loss of Romulus will never be healed. There is a breakaway element of the Romulans, and the Remans have taken advantage for independence in light of the Empire's weakness, and there's little it can do to stop it at the moment. Even the vaunted Tal Shiar has suffered severe reversals. The original government left by Empress Sela is in shambles due to her disappearance and several powerful figures are vying for the throne. On top of this, both the Federation and Klingons, seeing the Empire at its weakest state in its history have seen fit to meddle with its internal affairs. They both seek to break up any chance of the Romulans from reunifying any of its strength left from the home planet's destruction.

IMO, the Romulans have a very great potential for a storied campaign of revenge.
- You will participate in a civil war between competitors trying to replace Sela as Emperor / Empress. Eventually, one will be decided. Maybe Sela herself returns?
- With the original Romulan Empire's government and power more solidified, it is now time to take action against these "Reunification" separatists in New Romulus, and to finish for good the rebelling Remans. The Romulan military with its rallied Tal Shiar will wage a campaign of annihalation. To crush these Reunification and Reman separatists. Wipe them out... all of them. Beat the Romulan Reunificationists into submission. Break the Remans for good so that they will never, ever be in strength anymore to stab the backs of the Empire.
- In dealing with the Reunificationists and Reman rebels, this will draw the ire of both the Federation and Klingon Empire. Encountering their forces as you increasingly grind the rebels under the Empire's heel will be expected. And you will deal with them. After all, it is their will that they wanted to interfere in Romulan internal affairs. It is the Federation and Klingons that both decided to carve up and divide the Empire at its weakest point in history. The Romulan military will wage another campaign to drive out for good the Federation and Klingon invaders out of its space.
- With the forceful, bloody, and very satisfying effort in kicking out the Federation, Klingons, and destroying any hint of rebellion, the newly reunified Romulan Star Empire needs to recover. But at the same time, insults from recent years cannot be ignored. To keep its neighboring foes at bay, the Romulan Empire seeks to solidify its power, but it must send some forces still to conduct offensives to keep the Federation and Klingons on their toes. They must be taught a lesson that they must again respect Romulan military might. What better way to do it than launching attacks on their bases along the Neutral Zones? And to send long ranged, cloaked strike forces deep behind their territories to cause chaos and destruction?

Lots of insults have been levied against the Romulan Empire while it was weak. Now it's time for the Empire to return the favor...
Yeah, as said above their homeworld is gone, their too busy killing each other, their intelligence agency is headless and working for the Iconians, Their military strength is so sad Starfleet invaded their homeworld space and ignored their complaints and that was before the civil war environment, a lot of their population don't seem to give a crap about the glory days Sela thinks are coming back, the Remans have the Vault and its Thalaron generator, and D'tan is the only Romulan political figure important enough for anyone to deal with, and they weren't even seen as important enough to get an invite to the Borg conference, the freaking Deferi and Cardassians were seen as more important to the fight than the Romulans, so yeah they are out classed by a group with dinky little ships and a power that doesn't even have a military anymore

In short the Romulan Star Empire is not going to make a glorious return and "return the favor" they are a broken group with an empire in shambles that is a minor threat at least. At best the empire is a minor threat that can annoy the federation and Klingons and maybe pose a threat to colonies and outposts. At worse its canon fodder for the Iconians to use in their invasion.

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Dominion - TBD... but they do know what's going on in the Alpha Quadrant. And they do relish the alliance that once stood against them has shattered completely. The fact that DS9, a location of such strategic importance, fell (although temporary) to a single, lost Dominion fleet speaks volumes about the strength of its old foes. Opportunity awaits...
DS9 fell to a surprise attack which is only good at the start of a Dominion invasion, they didn't keep DS9, their enemies had no problem coming together to repel the attack, and it only took so long becuase the federation wanted to negotiate when they found out where the fleet was from, when the actual battle started the Dominion fleet got creamed.
Captain
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# 7
03-16-2013, 03:30 PM
i would add klingon & federation separatist's to that eventually.
If you like the RPG trinity, then you hate MMOs, you hate working, competitive fair PvP, you hate balanced engaging solo content,
and,
you hate PvE "adventure zones". because the trinity is incompatible with any of these.
Captain
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# 8
03-16-2013, 06:30 PM
Beyond more things for my Fed and Pirate to shoot at? Not much.

I so look forward to a three way Ker'rat.
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# 9
03-16-2013, 07:43 PM
I, too, would look forward to 3-way PvP in places like Ker'rat. It would add an extra factor to take into consideration when flying around, rather than just decloaking at will and blasting hapless Feddies into rubble. Temporary alliances could be forged if the combined KDF and Romulan presence in a zone is outnumbered by the Federation, and so on.

I also look forward to trading insults with those green-blooded petaQ'pu.
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# 10
03-16-2013, 07:55 PM
I would rather see a Cardi faction over the Dominion. I prefer to see the Dominion as a Borg type of threat.

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