Rihannsu
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# 1 Romulan Sci
05-01-2013, 03:16 PM
hey guys

i've been looking through the Romulan ships and the new fleet versions on tribble.

As much as i wanted to create myself a Romulan SCI main, i think i'll let this crazy idea go.
the only ship which has a cmdr sci boff slot is the D'Deridex, which has turn rate of whole 5.

I already fly the Kar'fi with TR 7, and as much as i enjoy it, it is mainly because of the unique console and that it's a carrier. It is a pain in the ass to turn around, and in PVP you are just a dead whale.

I really can't imagine myself flying a monstrous ship with TR 5 and without these perks.

I have been looking forward to the changes and the new warp core mechanics offers so much for a SCI player, but seeing the stats, i am dissappointed.

The best solution will be a tac, cause that way you can fly just about everything and BUFF your dmg accordingly.

Please, realize: SCI is not just playable as a healer, or tank, but also as a debuffer, a rogue, a squishy but recoverable DD, if given a proper ship!


Just take a look at the B'Rel! That is the kind of ship i am missing.

@devs, if you CARE about other careers, please, consider making a sci/universal BOP version. As a fleet ship or as a new Romulan Designed BOP (cause the T'Varo is clearly a Reman design).

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# 2
05-01-2013, 03:26 PM
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a rogue, a squishy but recoverable DD, if given a proper ship!
I don't understand. A rogue? How?

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Just take a look at the B'Rel! That is the kind of ship i am missing.
Retrofit T'Varo is a lot like the B'Rel isn't it? Fly that?

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making a sci/universal BOP version.
Ah, I think I understand. You want all universal consoles? I'm pretty sure that's going to remain a KDF feature. The Romulans have their own enticements, like battlecloaks all around and singularity powers. The KDF needs to keep some sort of temptation for their side.

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(cause the T'Varo is clearly a Reman design).
The T'Varo is from the ship that appeared on Enterprise. What makes it Reman?
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# 3
05-01-2013, 03:31 PM
Thank you, i probably will adapt to the T'Varo, and no, it is far from the b'rel, cause you can't use any interesting sci boff abilities while flying it.

On Reman design - go play the mission where you follow/ save a reman bop and later find obisek's base.


- why is there NO normal turning ship (at least 15-17) with a cmdr sci slot?

can you elaborate?

( i see the lockbox ship coming)

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# 4
05-01-2013, 03:37 PM
Well, the D'deridex isn't the ship with the Commander Sci, it's the other big whale ship.. Ha'apax or Haakona or something.

While I'm quite pleased with the current ship layouts (especially the big D going from horrible to boring to nice), the clear lack of options is a bit diappointing.....
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# 5
05-01-2013, 03:48 PM
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Well, the D'deridex isn't the ship with the Commander Sci, it's the other big whale ship.. Ha'apax or Haakona or something.

While I'm quite pleased with the current ship layouts (especially the big D going from horrible to boring to nice), the clear lack of options is a bit diappointing.....
Thank you for correcting me. It is the other whale and UGLY ship with tr 5

The only option I see is the mogai, but it is not ideal. .

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# 6
05-01-2013, 05:55 PM
A normal turning Sci Vessel with a turn of 15-17?

Deep Space - 11
Recon - 13
Mirror Deep - 13
Mirror Space - 11
Nebula - 9
D'Kyr - 10
Wells - 15
Intrepid - 12
Aventine/Rademaker/Vesta - 12
Atrox - 5
Fleet Research - 13
Fleet Deep - 11
Fleet Recon - 13
Fleet Nova - 15
Fleet Intrepid - 12
Varanus - 11
Korath - 15
Fleet Varanus - 11
Vo'Quv - 5
Mirror Vo'Quv - 5
Kar'Fi - 7
Fleet Vo'Quv - 5
Orb Weaver - 9

That's 3 out of 25 that have 15. None have above 15.

So regarding that Fleet Ha'apax Advanced Warbird Refit...and it's 5/5.5 turn - did you also take into consideration the Haakona Separation console that you can use on it? The one that according to the description allows you to fly either the escort part or the support part?

The issue with the Romulan Sci, imho, isn't that there isn't a ship - it's that the ship requires a T5 shipyard to get it.

Pesky Tribble went down for maintenance as I was trying to type out the rest of this...meh. I didn't have the chance to gather all the info that I wanted...meh. I hope I don't close this out before being able to get back to it...meh. Yes, I said meh three times.

And there, it's back again. So where was I? I forget...meh.

Oh, that's right.

So for all of our Warbirds (exception coming), we've got the Original, the Refit, the Retrofit, and the Fleet Retrofit...except for the Ha'apax.

We've got the Original...

Ha'apax Advanced Warbird
Rank: RA/Subadmiral I
Hull: 40000
Shield Mod: 1.05
Crew: 2000
Turn: 5(or 5.5?)
Devices: 4
Power: +10 Wep, +5 Eng
Abilities: Singularity, Battle Cloak
Consoles: 3 Tac / 4 Eng / 2 Sci
X, X, X
X

X, X, X, X
X, X
X, X

We've got the (first) Fleet...

Fleet Ha'apax Advanced Warbird
Rank: RA/Subadmiral I
Hull: 44000
Shield Mod: 1.15
Crew: 2000
Turn: 5(or 5.5?)
Devices: 4
Power: +10 Wep, +5 Eng
Abilities: Singularity, Battle Cloak
Consoles: 4 Tac / 4 Eng / 2 Sci
X, X, X
X

X, X, X, X
X, X
X, X

We've got the Zen (refit/retrofit)...

Haakona Advanced Warbird
Rank: VA/Subadmiral II?
Hull: 40000
Shield Mod: 1.05
Crew: 2000
Turn: 5(or 5.5?)
Devices: 4
Power: +10 Aux, +5 Shield
Abilities: Singularity, Battle Cloak, Haakona Separation*
Consoles: 3 Tac / 2 Eng / 4 Sci
X, X
X

X, X
X, X, X, X
X, X, X

We've got the (second) Fleet...

Fleet Ha'apax Advanced Warbird Refit
Rank: VA/Subadmiral II?
Hull: 44000
Shield Mod: 1.15
Crew: 2000
Turn: 5(or 5.5?)
Devices: 4
Power: +10 Aux, +5 Shield
Abilities: Singularity, Battle Cloak
Consoles: 3 Tac / 2 Eng / 5 Sci
X, X
X

X, X
X, X, X, X
X, X, X

I'm going with the obviously still a work in progress thing here...on quite a few levels, ahem. Cause the Haakona's not even listed in the Legacy Pack. Will be interesting to see where things go with it...but yeah, hate that the Fleet version requires a T5 shipyard...otherwise you have to "make do" with the Zen version. But then again, folks will likely want that regardless for the Haakona Separation.

*Haakona Separation - this universal console allows you to separate your Ha'apax into two separate ships. You can choose to pilot the Haakona Escort or the Haakona Support Vessel.
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# 7
05-01-2013, 06:31 PM
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Thank you, i probably will adapt to the T'Varo, and no, it is far from the b'rel, cause you can't use any interesting sci boff abilities while flying it.

On Reman design - go play the mission where you follow/ save a reman bop and later find obisek's base.


- why is there NO normal turning ship (at least 15-17) with a cmdr sci slot?

can you elaborate?

( i see the lockbox ship coming)
Except that the T'Varo is the warbird first shown in Enterprise and was used by the Romulans in 2150.
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# 8
05-01-2013, 11:54 PM
Haakona separation is nice. Do we know any stats for the separated modules?

the fact that the fleet version is available at T5 shipyard is making it even more inaccessible for people which were waiting to create a dedicated Romulan fleet.

If they plan on adding a Romulan Fleet Holding with 3 tiers (copying the Embassy model), they should make Romulan ships accessible through it, so every fleet is in the same position at launch.

(the ship is ugly as hell, and makes the Legacy Pack even more NOT worth the money)

Turn Rate:

the only sci ships i am flying are the Wells /17 TR without the RCS console but with some points in thrusters/, the Korath and the Kar-fi.

i haven't tested it yet, RCS consoles are supposed to boost the Turn Rate more for slowly turning ships now, but even then, you are paying it off by survivability.

They could boost the D'Deridex at least to 9-11.

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# 9
05-01-2013, 11:58 PM
hell..im flying a DD with a rare mk 4 rcs console and it has a 9.4 TR at balanced setting with 58 eng power...yes that is with 6 points into impulse engines...but what player WOULDNT put points into that?

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# 10
05-01-2013, 11:59 PM
What about the Mogai ? This is what I will be flying in my future sci toon. It has sweet layout and I like the design.
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