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# 1 Best Jem ship for Eng Captain?
05-07-2013, 05:36 PM
I hadn't got a Jem HEC or Dread yet. I'm up for either one. So which one would fit better for my Klingon captain? I love the Jem ships, and want to have one. With a Jem for a Boff. The story goes he came with a ship to use. Similar to my Breen Boff and ship.

I'm leaning towards the Dread.
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# 2
05-07-2013, 06:38 PM
Both the JHEC and JHDC are nice ships but quite different in style.

The JHEC is the "Escort Carrier" which the KDF ship lineup lacks. For an Escort, it also boasts a strong ENG BOFF suite. Fast, nimble enough while being pretty tough, just like the Starfleet HEC. You get to dabble with hangar units by having 1 slot for it.

However, the JHDC is a fully fledged, bonafide carrier. It is also the most offensively minded carrier in the game. All other carriers pale in offensive strength compared to the JHDC, and the Kar'Fi is the only one that tries to come to its level, but not quite there.

It is the carrier to get if you love the idea of making use of 2 hangar units to attack your target(s), while pummeling the hell out of them with the JHDC's inherently strong firepower.

The offset to this is the poor handling of the JHDC. Just like all other carriers, except for the Kar'Fi, it has a base turn rate of 5.

I have the JHDC on my KDF ENG, and it's a joy to use. Give you alot of firepower, and Engineers naturally can make the ship more robust and having periods of great subsystem power.

If you can handle the sluggishness of the ship, and love playing carriers, the JHDC is the choice.

If you want to play with hangar units, but prefer a more traditional style, i.e. Escort play, then the JHEC will be better in that choice. And an ENG captain in one can make it even tougher than it already is, which is good to begin with.
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# 3
05-07-2013, 07:16 PM
Let me just say my Engineer really enjoys his JHEC (it was bought off the exchange). He had in been a Tac Oddy for some time with a turn rate of 6 so the maneuverability of the JHEC (turn rate 13) was enjoyed. Engineers will appreciate the survivability, yet still get some of the feeling of an escort without it being "twitchy".
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# 4
05-07-2013, 08:01 PM
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The offset to this is the poor handling of the JHDC. Just like all other carriers, except for the Kar'Fi, it has a base turn rate of 5.
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The base turn rate is actually 6 deg/s, I believe. Other than that, I agree with the rest of the post. I have a JHDC myself on a (Fed) Engineer and your Engineering skills really do aid the ship's survivability.
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# 5
05-08-2013, 02:08 AM
Ok thanks, I been looking over the stats and saw they have about the same set up. So I was stuck on either one. I want a Carrier to play with as I don't have any. And with a Jem, I can have both. A Jem and Carrier to play with. The hunt is on to see what I can get.
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# 6
05-08-2013, 05:30 AM
The only problem with the jhdc is the lack of frigate. This ship definetly requires it but you cannot actually get one under normal circumstances
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# 7
05-09-2013, 12:14 AM
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The only problem with the jhdc is the lack of frigate. This ship definetly requires it but you cannot actually get one under normal circumstances
Yes, this point needs to be brought up.

The "frigate" unique to the JHDC is the JHAS hangar units. They are quite powerful and do the wonderful Antiproton Sweeps to strip shields... 3-4 of these guys doing AP sweep is quite nice for shield stripping in an AOE.

But to access the JHAS hangar units, the current and stupid system requires you to also possesses the rare and extremely expensive to acquire JHAS flyable ship. The JHAS hangar units are the ONLY ones in the entire game that require you to possess a 2nd ship other than the carrier itself. It's stupid.

For substituting the JHAS, the Adv.Orion Interceptors are a great standby for me. If you have access to them, the Elite Scorpion Fighters are great. Some swear by the Adv.Slavers. But all these are the more numerous, but more fragile fighters, and not frigates like the JHAS, Danubes, and Fer'Jai.
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# 8
05-12-2013, 01:26 AM
The JHEC is probably the tankiest escort ship around, I actually think an engineer would be more unkillable in a JHEC than a Dread, which is in my opinion the heavy carrier for Tac captains. For an engineer I'd prefer the JHEC with scorps for punch and survivability and the Recluse with mesh weavers for support and invulnerability.
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# 9
05-12-2013, 04:01 AM
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Yes, this point needs to be brought up.

The "frigate" unique to the JHDC is the JHAS hangar units. They are quite powerful and do the wonderful Antiproton Sweeps to strip shields... 3-4 of these guys doing AP sweep is quite nice for shield stripping in an AOE.

But to access the JHAS hangar units, the current and stupid system requires you to also possesses the rare and extremely expensive to acquire JHAS flyable ship. The JHAS hangar units are the ONLY ones in the entire game that require you to possess a 2nd ship other than the carrier itself. It's stupid.

For substituting the JHAS, the Adv.Orion Interceptors are a great standby for me. If you have access to them, the Elite Scorpion Fighters are great. Some swear by the Adv.Slavers. But all these are the more numerous, but more fragile fighters, and not frigates like the JHAS, Danubes, and Fer'Jai.
I happen to agree with the above statement with the JHAS. I have a JHAS on my Federation Tactical (paid 220 Million for it a while back) and she is setup to fly it. I wouldn't put a JHDC or JHEC on it as those ships especially the former would require a different skill point allocation to work best for it. Plus it's a bit of a waste for me to throw two lock box ships onto the one character especially in this circumstance considering the rarity of the JHAS and the price (whether through EC off the exchange or Zen for keys).

I would like to see it changed to at the very least an account thing so one character could have the JHAS (say your tactical) and your engineer could run the JHDC. Though I think you shouldn't need the JHAS at all to be able to use the pets, the Dilithium cost alone I think is a more than adequate cost to use them.
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# 10
05-12-2013, 11:52 AM
I have the JHEC on my Fed engineer and rather like it. Though, I like it fitted with a Positron or MACO deflector instead of Jem deflector as I like more tank, even though I have the Mk XII Jem set. The JHEC seems to have a better console of the two, particularly for team play. Very nice team DPS booster, and can serve as an emergency get of holds or DPS boost in solo play.

As for using it KDF side, about the only worthwhile console left as exclusive to KDF is Plasmonic Leech, and it shouldn't be too hard to cram it in the console spots somewhere. As far as pets, I'd still go Elite Scorpions if I want DPS, or Advanced Slavers if I'm in need of Contraband. I've not tried the Interceptors yet, but they look like a pretty good option if you have the Zen to grab the Orion Dacoit.

I'm considering the JHDC for one of my KDF Tacs. They look surprisingly Klingon with the KHG shield effects on it. I'd probably run one hangar of Elite Scorpions and one of Advanced Slavers.
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