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Captain
Join Date: Feb 2013
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I'm just gonna come out and say it. "Star Trek Into Darkness" played it safe. It didn't try hard enough to give us something new and interesting and fun to watch. It didn't take risks, and it banked entirely on using icons of the original series and movies to try to recreate the atmosphere that made them so great. But if you want that atmosphere, it's better just to go watch the original material which delivered that feeling along with the layers of meaning that made it work so well and burned it into our collective memory. Try as it might, "Wrath of Khan", this movie aint. It could have spoken with its own voice, yet instead it attempts to be again what once was; it would be an effective parody if it were aware of itself. For those reasons, "Into Darkness" wasn't good enough.
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# 2
05-11-2013, 04:46 AM
I felt more or less the opposite. (no real spoilers here).

I loved it and thought it was tremendous fun. Yes it was pretty safe but it was exciting, the humour was good, and i enjoyed the casts interactions. the action was epic, but never dragged on or got too chaotic. pretty much all the cast got their moments to shine and there are some nice twists and turns.

it was in truth not overly complex or highbrow, but they are going for the flashy space adventure over the true morality tales of the shows, but thats fine. thats what the show is good at and that is what works. the film touches on it, but only thinly. this is all about adventure.

there are some nitpicks that a trekkie will notice much like the first, that will go over the heads of none or casual fans, and a few moments that will no doubt be big talking points.

all in all, awesome film, a lot of fun to watch but dont expect the most complex of plots. its much like XI. if you liked it, then you should be comfortable here. if you hated it, I'm not sure if there is much to turn you around but i think its better than XI.

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Survivor of Romulus
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# 3
05-11-2013, 05:34 AM
I managed to see it last night. Can honestly say that I was surprised how good it was and I certainly recommend it.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 4
05-11-2013, 06:13 AM
I thought it was good. I had a couple of nitpicks, which I won't go into as they're spoilers. There was a lot of good action and the interactions between the crew and John Harrison were great too. There was still a lot of lens flare, but I think it's toned down from last time.

While it didn't go into any great themes like some of the TOS films, I think you could draw some comparisons to events in the film and real world events (which I won't go into because of spoilers again).

Of course it was played fairly safe though, but a) JJ Abrams is not a known risk taker and b) neither is anyone else making summer blockbusters.
Captain
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# 5
05-11-2013, 06:41 AM
So... Any "science" that even a fifth-grader would laugh at in this one?

That was my main problem with XI. It was fine until they tried to explain things. Like a beautiful woman opening her mouth and talking about Ayn Rand seriously. Ruins everything.
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# 6
05-11-2013, 07:07 AM
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Of course it was played fairly safe though, but a) JJ Abrams is not a known risk taker and b) neither is anyone else making summer blockbusters.
He is not a risk taker? He blew up two important planets in his first film, one of them even in the prime universe. In Star Trek more people got killed than in the entire franchise before.
Career Officer
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# 7
05-11-2013, 07:27 AM
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He is not a risk taker? He blew up two important planets in his first film, one of them even in the prime universe. In Star Trek more people got killed than in the entire franchise before.
Except it didn't really change anything. There wasn't a current franchise for Romulus's destruction to effect and the destruction of Vulcan was only to raise the stakes. They weren't risks, they were plot devices.
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# 8
05-11-2013, 07:52 AM
This isn't turning into the JJ flamefest the OP would have preferred.

I liked the last one, I'm sure this one will be Awesome as well.
Career Officer
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# 9
05-11-2013, 08:23 AM
I think of JJ-Trek as something akin to the Ultimate Marvel line of comics - something that's looking not so much to tell new stories as to update and super-size old ones for contemporary audiences.

With that goal in mind, the first movie pretty much knocked it out of the park. The trailers for Into Darkness make the new film look just as promising, but then trailers always need a grain or two of salt to go with them.

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There wasn't a current franchise for Romulus's destruction to effect and the destruction of Vulcan was only to raise the stakes.
Except, of course, for a certain MMO that was well into development at the time...

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Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 10
05-11-2013, 08:32 AM
I just finally accepted that I can pretend the new movies don't exist as far as "my star trek" goes. They're made in a time period where the masses demand top tiered movies to spend their dollars on, and that's what this Star Trek is aiming for, the masses. And it makes for a pretty interesting spin on Star Trek when the TNG movies flopped so badly at trying to be the same thing.

So they can do whatever they want on the big screen, but when it comes time for the small screen again I sure hope they remember that an action packed ST tv show is not going to repeat the big screen movie success. TV viewers and movie goers are two different things. People expect story on the tv screen, to watch a show for years, and just about anything goes for the big screen because it's only for a hour and half or so for 10 bucks. I truly hope the so called experts understand this and that at least one of those experts are in the CBS crowd, because I'll be damned if I've waited for who knows how long for my next ST show only to have action packed dim whitted crap shoved in my face because the masses paid to see Action Trek at the theater.
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