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Captain
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# 31
05-19-2013, 01:27 PM
I did it without dying, although going in with a D'Deridex wasn't exactly a good idea. I probably can do better with the Subcommander Mogai.

Elachi have exceptionally strong shields, especially their bigger ships. My D'Deridex build therefore focused on circumventing this one advantage of theirs: Dual heavy cannons + Directed Energy Modulation III with almost 100% uptime thanks to 2x Aux2Bat and Technician DOffs. Also Reverse Shield Polarity II helped me staying alive. The +10 turnrate of the Romulan battlecloak also came in handy to help me move the Romulan Space Whale into position. The Elachi Command ship wasn't able to withstand this firepower for more than half a minute. The rest of the fight was fairly easy due to the fact that the Elachi ships started warping out.
Survivor of Remus
Join Date: Nov 2012
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# 32
05-19-2013, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by szerontzur View Post
It makes me wonder if the intended approach is to just focus down the command ship right off the bat like the Elachi Walkers in Best Defense.
It's important to remember that the moment the 3rd wave starts, the Subcommander directs you to focus all fire on the Command ship. I don't think you are really meant to fight the other ships, unless you are hunting for xp/sp I suppose.

That's really what made the difference for me in this fight between the first and second time I did it. The first time I tried to kill everything within sight, and that was a long and ugly affair. There's just too much firepower concentrated in a very small area. As for survival/defense, mobility is essential, even in the D'D. I made full use of Evasives, Engine Batteries, and Singularity Jump was almost used on cool down. The singularity powers in general are what makes the largest difference for me.

Most importantly however was separating their forces. I pulled the command ship away and we had a sort of brutal standoff, while the allied ships mopped up the main forces. Yes, the escorts and such will keep warping in, but once the two dreadnoughts are taken out, the Elaichi have lost a tremendous amount of firepower.

The command ship doesn't last long without the two dreadnoughts to assist it.
Rihannsu
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# 33
05-19-2013, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by arkhaman View Post
It's important to remember that the moment the 3rd wave starts, the Subcommander directs you to focus all fire on the Command ship. I don't think you are really meant to fight the other ships, unless you are hunting for xp/sp I suppose.

That's really what made the difference for me in this fight between the first and second time I did it. The first time I tried to kill everything within sight, and that was a long and ugly affair. There's just too much firepower concentrated in a very small area. As for survival/defense, mobility is essential, even in the D'D. I made full use of Evasives, Engine Batteries, and Singularity Jump was almost used on cool down. The singularity powers in general are what makes the largest difference for me.

Most importantly however was separating their forces. I pulled the command ship away and we had a sort of brutal standoff, while the allied ships mopped up the main forces. Yes, the escorts and such will keep warping in, but once the two dreadnoughts are taken out, the Elaichi have lost a tremendous amount of firepower.

The command ship doesn't last long without the two dreadnoughts to assist it.
I just massacred Elachi until eventually I saw a message saying the command ship was down... I think the NPCs killed it while I was slugging it out with the rest of the fleet. I DO know that I at least blasted one of the dreads, not sure if it was more than one though.
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# 34
05-19-2013, 04:20 PM
This part of the mission was utterly stupid. There is no need for that last wave to be so hard, and it just ended up with myself in possibly one of the worst ships (D'Dreidex) against the whole last wave.
All my supposed help were on constant repair pretty much the whole time.

This is a mission I will never do again, and this is a shame because some of it is fun

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Rihannsu
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# 35
05-19-2013, 04:36 PM
Worst? What setup was your D'D using? I used a Dragon Flagship variant and it worked well.
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# 36
05-19-2013, 05:35 PM
I didn't use any real setup. I don't normally fly cruisers, which didn't help.
Wont be piloting it again, and will be using an ally ship at T4 in the future. Seeing as my Romulan will be KDF, I will most likely use my Raptor instead.

They just need to tone down the amount of ships at the end, or make it so that the ship that are helping are invulnerable and wont be on constant repair.
Also the Elachi spamming that frontal weapon is a bit much as well, especially when 10+ ships are doing it at the same time...

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Here is your ticket to the USS Stupidity, Third class, four tacks on the chair, rules state you MUST sit on the chair, no standing, or hovering above the tacks, thank you have a nice day

Last edited by sunfrancks; 05-19-2013 at 05:40 PM.
Captain
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# 37
05-19-2013, 06:13 PM
i jumped in the mogai with transphasic torpedo i got from a drop and the harg'pang and just torp spread 3 and harg'paned the command ship to death

do to the ridiculously tough shields i basically killed it with bleed through damage and the the secondary harg'pang explosion
Rihannsu
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# 38
05-20-2013, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sunfrancks View Post
I didn't use any real setup. I don't normally fly cruisers, which didn't help.
Well, there's your problem! The first char I made has always flown heavy cruisers. She currently flies the free Oddy which is even slower than the D'D and Ha'apax.
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Rihannsu
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# 39
05-20-2013, 01:15 PM
I followed orders and focused on the command ship. Big mistake. Counter to the gentleman above, i got massacred till the elachi all got bored and went home.. The battle took over two hours and my hands hurt like hell ( i have arthritus ).
Those aoe cones the dreadnaughts and battleships put out with their main guns blinded me and confused me. and hit me from so many angles all at once i couldnt tell which end was up (literally). I highly doubt i'll ever play this scenario again ( i'll skip it on holodeck ), but if i do, i'm heading to a quiet corner of the map and going out for dinner. letting the two hero ships kill everything..
Captain
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# 40
05-20-2013, 02:46 PM
Devs, please don't listen to the people here crying for this mission to be made less then what it currently is.

I just finished it at level 34 in a base D'Deridex, and I only died twice. Once from me being a doofus and not immediately skipping the Reinforcements cutscene And the other was from lag, which can happen to any of us.

Anyway, I even did it in a DHC D'Deridex as a Tac Captain.

I'm even requesting that as Fed and KDF we are able to take part in this battle as part of the Reinforcement Fleet that warps in to help out.

Please Devs? Please? Fed and KDF version?!

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