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# 121
05-21-2013, 01:42 AM
Honestly, the only problem I have with this is timing. Since this is being done at launch, and the Plasmotic Leech serves nicely to help mitigate some of the -40 power of a Warbird, it leaves players with little incentive to align their Romulan characters with the KDF. If the same trend holds true with this console as in the past, the Reward Pack prices will be relatively cheap a few weeks after folks start hunting for the new lock box ships; the result being that any player that hasn't unlocked the Vandal can choose to pay 1000 Zen for access to the ship/console (KDF aligned), or just pay some EC's on the Exchange (Fed aligned).

Can you guess which faction queue is going to pop faster as a result, and which will pop slower?
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# 122
05-21-2013, 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by breadandcircuses View Post
Honestly, the only problem I have with this is timing. Since this is being done at launch, and the Plasmotic Leech serves nicely to help mitigate some of the -40 power of a Warbird, it leaves players with little incentive to align their Romulan characters with the KDF. If the same trend holds true with this console as in the past, the Reward Pack prices will be relatively cheap a few weeks after folks start hunting for the new lock box ships; the result being that any player that hasn't unlocked the Vandal can choose to pay 1000 Zen for access to the ship/console (KDF aligned), or just pay some EC's on the Exchange (Fed aligned).

Can you guess which faction queue is going to pop faster as a result, and which will pop slower?
What you said is just a nicer way of putting what I had been ranting about. I was really excited about the LoR but this kinda soured my view of it. The anxiety set in and it wasn't really about the feds getting it is that most kdf you wait a long time to do anything kdf specific so the plasmonic leech was one of the last few KDF things a player could get to use that would nudge a given player in the right direction.

Maybe they will surprise us and open up new doors to the KDF for newer and older veteran players that just didn't find it that appealing although I do know most of the people who have been in the KDF for last few years mostly only joined its ranks because of being fans of the Klingons throughout all of the Star Trek series.
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# 123
05-21-2013, 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by breadandcircuses View Post
Honestly, the only problem I have with this is timing. Since this is being done at launch, and the Plasmotic Leech serves nicely to help mitigate some of the -40 power of a Warbird, it leaves players with little incentive to align their Romulan characters with the KDF. If the same trend holds true with this console as in the past, the Reward Pack prices will be relatively cheap a few weeks after folks start hunting for the new lock box ships; the result being that any player that hasn't unlocked the Vandal can choose to pay 1000 Zen for access to the ship/console (KDF aligned), or just pay some EC's on the Exchange (Fed aligned).

Can you guess which faction queue is going to pop faster as a result, and which will pop slower?
This is absolutely right and my main concern. I saw in zone chat and on the forums many wanting to go KDF with their Romulans for this advantage, seriously couldn't Cryptic have waited until the next lock box before doing this?

I am still waiting on the Armitage's Torpedo Console, that would have made a reasonable trade I think for the leech.
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Cryptic is sloppy. Breaking News at 11. This is what happens when there is no outline or plan and you just make up **** as you go along.
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# 124
05-21-2013, 02:12 AM
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# 125
05-21-2013, 02:15 AM
Well.. who knows.. perhaps they will give the klings a new powerful toy (console) with the upcoming Negh'Var refit? .. .. in any case.. I think that there are still enough rom players which will join the KDF regardless of any consoles - also don't forget all the people who will certainly try a kling char now that they have added lvl 1-50 progression!
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# 126
05-21-2013, 02:17 AM
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I am still waiting on the Armitage's Torpedo Console, that would have made a reasonable trade I think for the leech.
Except that console is limited to the Armitage alone, not even other Fed ships let alone cross faction.

I thought the KDF were the superior warriors and all, loudly bragging all over these forums that they were simply better than everyone else, while the Feds were just a bunch of pathetic whiners who shouldn't even be IN this game with the Real Men. Now one mechanical advantages trades hands, on the same day the KDF gets 2 new ships (plus one more in the oven), and those magical 20 starting levels, and its nothing but rivers of tears and indignation?
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# 127
05-21-2013, 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by zeuxidemus001 View Post
Maybe they will surprise us and open up new doors to the KDF for newer and older veteran players that just didn't find it that appealing although I do know most of the people who have been in the KDF for last few years mostly only joined its ranks because of being fans of the Klingons throughout all of the Star Trek series.
We do actually have 2 new consoles coming with the expanded KDF level progression, though we'll have to see whether they are anywhere near as useful as the Plasmotic Leech... or balance its availability for EC's on the Exchange. The source info can be found here at Legacy of Romulus Dev Blog #20, but I'll retype it for convenience.

Enhanced Induction Coils
---short duration increase to your weapons and engine power levels
---repairs disabled weapons and engine subsystems

Shield Destabilizer
---generates a large Tachyon field around your ship which will drain shields/shield power
---cannot activate while cloaked

My guess is that these new toys will not really balance the pull of the Federation for all the new Romulan captains, since you won't get these for EC's like you will the Plasmotic Leech on the Fed side. Neither helps too much with the otherwise limited power levels of the Warbirds, either.
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# 128
05-21-2013, 02:24 AM
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I find it utterly silly to think that someone would play Klingons for their consoles..... I play my Klingons because...they're Klingon dammit.
Yup.

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... now unless you are saying KDF are utter rubbish that NEED a pay Console that is so obvious broken but is required because poor KDF have rubbish ships and it will kill the KDF when put of OP Fed ships that are OP.
Or something like that.

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And here I thought Klingons are Warriors, not Whiners...
That's a common misconception. Whining about loss of identity is a matter of honor. Just ask Kurn.

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...I have many reasons I like to play KDF over Fed. Guess what? The plasmonic leach is not one of them.
What he said.

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wow so many space puppy's mad
Yup. Guess they didn't get the memo that THE KDF IS A FULL FACTION NOW thanks to Cryptic's many many many sleepless hours of overtime effort.

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KDF cruisers are still lightyears beyond Starfleet cruisers so there is balance between them and Starfleet escorts. Now the final disparity has been removed and KDF players might actually encounter a challenge in PvP.
Or at least, more of them.

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With Romeration Officers coming we might just find a use for a Tailpipe sniffing Torpedo
Yup. Especially now that its damage has been upgraded to be on par with THY.

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I'm going to point out again that the Klingon's aren't actually losing the PL console. Every time they add one of these cross faction console packs, this comes up, and everyone whines that KDF is "losing" whatever cheese console they had, and that KDF will die when the console is released.
I don't know about everyone, but I don't choose to play a faction based on what fancy consoles they have available. Yeah, sure you are losing the exclusivity of the console, but you still have it, and I'll bet all the players that really know how to employ PL know how to counter it too, so it's not that big of a setback. And nothing is going to kill the KDF, if anything I think we're about to see a population explosion on Qo'noS, now that they are adding a real tutorial and 1-50 content. I for one could never really get seriously into KDF before, and I think it might be worth playing more after tomorrow.
Why didn't this /thread? Oh right, we're dealing with a bunch of whiny little baby targs that don't know good sense when it's being beaten into them with a Gin'tak.

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I bet this is Enterprise's fault somehow.
That stupid Temporal Cold War ****s up just everything, don't it?

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Delete all toons, only play romulan as the KDF and Federation are no longer unique.

Also this ruins all my major points I made to my Federation fleet mates. "Come to KDF with your rommie, we have leech and elite fleet disruptors. Yay!"

Now they can get all that through a lock box and without having to leave the Federation. Go f--k yourself cryptic.
Either my sarcasm detector is totally borked or you are.

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I am starting to think we should just get it over with and merge KDF into a Fed subfaction already like the Romulans are. It is obvious now Cryptic doesn't care about it, and KDF numbers will be doomed now, no reason to take your Romulan to KDF.
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+1 to the merge idea. there simply is no reason to roll a klink at all. .
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Agree... may as well make a season so that they can merge Klinks as a sub Fed faction.
You people are cute. I'll eat you last.

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I'd rather play a Klingon with no nice gear than a whiny fed or a half-faction Romulan pet to the other factions.

It's gonna be fun watching the feds with their new 'I win' console still getting the butts handed to them, and all the bugs and broken items coming to the Roms.
Oh I know. Yeah funny thing about the plasmonic leach - it doesn't do you any good if you get decloak alpha'd and die before you can even squeeze of a shot.

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Another epic Crypitc failure. I hope your servers crash and burn tomorrow ... hard. I say this even thought I never used or bought the console. I mean $20 and $120 starter packs and countless lockboxes have not made you enough money. Jeez.
I dare you to make less sense.

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...I won't say anymore, but do look forward to all the QQing, both in game, and on the forums here.
It's been pretty hilarious so far.

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So..it is a highly situational torpedo and a big waste of a console slot. Only functional in pvp really.
Isn't that what you're all griping about with the Feds getting the magic leach?




Wow, this has a been a fun thread.

I think after the servers stabilize I shall roll a Reman Sci aligned with KDF and destroy things without a leach. Because I can, and because I will enjoy it.

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# 129
05-21-2013, 02:30 AM
It is inevitable, we're the beta-test for new Federation equipment, the current designers can't handle the task of having distinct factional differences-it's not about funding or time, it's about actual creativity and effort.

They couldn't come up with decent gear for the Federation, so they have to loot the KDF for ideas(Carriers, consoles, Cloak), or just ramp up raw power levels (Kumari, Fleet Defiant, Vesta, etc.) to compensate for a lack of 'organic' ideas within Cryptic staffing.

Now that they've effectively given all the good gear the KDF has to the Federation in one form or another, they'll have to actually work out SOMETHING to sell the rubes next year-assuming there IS a next year for this game.

which is not guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination. there's only so many times one can repeat the same worn out content before it becomes a stone bore, and only so many times one can avoid fixing major issues in terms of playability, challenge, etc. before the flaws (thanks in part to the continuing advances of other games in the market) become impossible to paper over and you're left with a game where you have two half factions and a full faction, with nothing to distinguish them except for shoddy artwork and bad scripting.
"when you're out of Birds of Prey, you're out of ships."

Look into Vanilla PvP if you're tired of the endless pursuit of grind, utterly unbalanced selections of geardo-inspired traits, and generally unbalanced and careless 'development' made mostly to turn this game into a second job.
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# 130
05-21-2013, 03:00 AM
Giving PL console to Fed faction is unfair toward kdf because kdf ships were designed to be weaker than Fed ships.
As some already said it is time that kdf get 5 fore /5 tactical console raptors and bops now that kumari/vesta/armitage will be able to use PL.
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