Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,296
# 311
05-27-2013, 03:23 PM
IIRC the feature matrix shows 'unlimited' in the email line for gold subs. Guess it isn't so unlimited anymore. I would expect a limit on this feature on F2P accounts, but we who've paid for subs and LTS'ers also get the same limit.

Guess paying to play doesn't have any real benefit anymore.
KBF Lord MalaK
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Republic Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 11
# 312
05-27-2013, 03:57 PM
If Cryptic will not alter his course with the mail limit they will hurt him self. I can understand that they need to reduce the datastorage need, but this is the total wrong way to do it.

what will happen on the long term
- players will leave if frustrated from the new limits
- players will create alt accounts for extra storage of doffs and this will be a lot accounts by the mass on useless doffs we will get
- players wll stop buying doff packs from store if there is no way to storage the "useless" ones of the packs. selling civilin and science doffs is near useless no one need them every one has to many of them, and no one will throw them away if he has paid real money for it.

So Cryptic IF u will keep your mail Limit than
- increase the doffs roster that every char can hold to maybe 1000 so we have a way to increase the roster without make useless new charakters.
- Reduce the need of Doffs for Fleet Projects,
- throw tac/sec, sci/med, eng/ops in every project to one slot as by the embassy projects.
- Give us a Accound Doff Holding (with double click option instant of boring drag'n'drop) for a easy transfer of doffs between charakters (maybe base 500 and expandale 9 times to max 5k).

and make a OFFICIAL STATEMENT at THE FORUM , we are playing Star Trek Online and not Twitter Online !
Ensign
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 12
# 313
05-28-2013, 06:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lordmalak1 View Post
IIRC the feature matrix shows 'unlimited' in the email line for gold subs. Guess it isn't so unlimited anymore. I would expect a limit on this feature on F2P accounts, but we who've paid for subs and LTS'ers also get the same limit.

Guess paying to play doesn't have any real benefit anymore.
Which is why I'm done paying them. This mail thing is the last straw. I will just f2p, won't affect me that much anymore.
Lieutenant
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 77
# 314
05-28-2013, 10:36 AM
I agree giving them any more money would be foolish after every nerf they have hit us with,especially the stealth nerfs.

I'll spend less time with this game as time goes on I can only hope the devs get their head out of their behinds before that, but I am not holding my breath.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 744
# 315
05-28-2013, 03:31 PM
I've been running basically every BOff mission from the DOff system, and I have a ton of them that I store in the mail... It would be nice to have a place to put them, since this limit may hinder that...
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Captain
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,038
# 316
05-28-2013, 11:11 PM
So, patching now... hopefully we can get a mail fix and a bit of clarity now

Hey, I can be optimistic sometimes

Oh, and for cross reference:
Can't delete mail ***Known issue, team is working on a fix so you can delete mail***
Mail is going to get Fixed? (Can't delete mail) **known issue, fix incoming**
Commander
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 374
# 317
05-28-2013, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by daedalus27 View Post
400 doff slots is the max you can get, period. Bank slots are also limited on the number of purchases. Account wide storage is very expensive and also limited.There isn't enough storage options available for purchase for what this game pushes you to do.
Exactly.

Quote:
Originally Posted by askray View Post
Most likely because someone was directly tweeted and it popped up on their phone so they replied. It's a lot easier to reply that way quickly while you're out and about waiting for something (like I check my twitter when i'm pumping gas) than to load up the forums, go into the forums find things to read then read the entire thing then post. By the time I even probably read half the thread my gas would be done and I'd be off and running
Hey that's a great explanation of why he did that. Now explain why no official comment or response on the forums.

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Originally Posted by tarrennis View Post
I still want to know why I have to waste bank slots on Borg Neural Processors and similar items. These can be stored like Omega Marks as a number.
Outstanding idea. But if they believe not doing so will earn them .1% profit, I wouldn't count on it. Even if it made players happy who then proceed to earn them .5%. Welcome to the world of greed.

If your post is anything like, "I have a sandwich so you can't be starving" it's time to rethink posting. ~thlaylierah
So realistically, you only need to have the exact number of doffs that you need. ~leadme2kirk
Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 80
# 318
05-29-2013, 12:36 AM
Complaining about these changes probably won't work given the mail system is attached to the other perfect world games and for some reason they need to limit storage there. So instead we need to try and make the best of a bad situation to remedy the disastrous changes and effects this has. At the same time it may make them some Zen (although I hate rewarding bad behavior, but we have to motivate changes). Below are 3 changes I feel would help address the lack of storage presently in the game with the present mail attachments limitations.

1. Greatly increase stack sizes on everything. Instead of stacks of 20 or 250, make stacks up to 10k or so on bank and inventory storage. Let us store the commodities and consumables to our hearts content. As far as active use slots on characters, they can still be limited, but stuff in the cargo bay should be virtually unlimited. We still need bank slots for bound items, pets, rewards, etc. so there is still a need for storage there but freeing up some space on basic items would help things a bit.

2. Remove the limitation on buying extra storage. If I want to have 1000 doff slots, let me have them. If I want huge bank storage for all the stuff I pull down, why are you stopping me? It is preventing me from spending cash how I want to spend it and limiting your sales. Why are you preventing me from giving you money on an area where it will have almost no impact in game for pve or pvp other than potentially providing more out of combat items? As a side note you may want to revisit pricing as making it relatively cheap will encourage sales of these items instead of making new accounts as many are suggesting is the appropriate workaround. The account bank pricing especially seems excessive and therefore less utilized than it could be.

3. A new category of storage, RESERVE DUTY OFFICERS slots. Make a special doff roster of doffs in storage that are in your crew but unavailable for active missions or duty officer assignments. It is a doff bank that can be used for storage of doffs or (and I hope you would allow this) pull officers off of it for starbase construction or other missions where officers are expended like other commodities are used. Given the limitations on these storage slots, they should be cheaper than regular doff slots say 250 or 300 Zen per 100 slots. It would provide a storage solution as well as increase sales for perfect world.

I personally don't like having to alter my play from a flawed system that worked to the huge hassles we presently have. However if they aren't going to alter the mail limit, the very least they can do is provide avenues so that our play styles and needs are provided for in some way. This would provide an increased cash flow to perfect world as well as utility to players to deal with the changes. I hope this would be considered.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,296
# 319
05-29-2013, 07:41 AM
I gotta better idea:

Put the mail limit back to the way it was pre-LoR, compress all messages with attachments into a single file on exit from mail terminal and store the file client side and generate a checksum, then store the checksum on the account server. This will free up the space on cryptic servers they seem to think they need and with a server stored checksum it should ensure the client-side stored message file doesn't get tampered with. On opening the mail from the ingame mail terminal the file is decompressed on the client computer provided the checksums match.

So what if it takes a couple of minutes to decompress a large stored file on the clients computer, the solution would be to decrease the size of the file, and totally in the control of the player.
KBF Lord MalaK
Awoken Dead

You're gonna upgrade my Chel Grett for FREE but charge me $30 to upgrade my Kamarag ?

Last edited by lordmalak1; 05-29-2013 at 07:44 AM.
Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 13,080
# 320
05-29-2013, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by lordmalak1 View Post
IIRC the feature matrix shows 'unlimited' in the email line for gold subs. Guess it isn't so unlimited anymore. I would expect a limit on this feature on F2P accounts, but we who've paid for subs and LTS'ers also get the same limit.

Guess paying to play doesn't have any real benefit anymore.
Did it EVER say unlimited attachments? I think not....

The mail system was designed before Doffs were added to the game. The devs simply didn't think people would go and actually stuff hundreds of doffs into the mail. Otherwise they probably would have done this sooner...

I have to agree with the idea of creating an account bank for doffs. that sounds very useful, and less annoying than mailing things to myself.
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