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# 11
05-25-2013, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by lostusthorn View Post
FvF was the biggest mistake in PvP n STO so far.
for feds. wholly ill prepared the vast majority are for the inevitable pain theyll receive from the first decloak alpha theyve been hiding from for years. ha ha.

bugs gonna get squashed like erlichs in the projects. no mercy!
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# 12
05-25-2013, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by zarathos1978 View Post
I am commander . Recently I fought in Arena (yay, queue poped up!), an FvF. In the first match, there was I (Fed in Akira), and 7 Romulans. Serving as a bait in an escort is not really funny thing to do.

In the second one, there was me and another Fed with 2 Valodres and the other side was 3 Romulans with 1 Fed.

I had also the bad feeling, that with the warp cores and other stuf native to Romulans the relative balance of low level PvP was thrown out of airlock.

After those two I wonder... what's the point? I was fighting FvF when I got enough of flying around in Ker'rat in vain hope of finding some Klink and getting fight. Or cursing when half dead one was running away and cloaking and I had my Evasives on CD. Now there is no reall difference. FvF, FvK...

Why bother with those anyway if there is no difference? Actually - why bother with PvP if there is really no choice as of who you fight (Rom, Klink - it's the same)?

Do not misunderstand me. I love FvK on low levels. I join queues, roam in Ker'rat. But when I join FvF it is to fight another Fed, not Romulans. I was doing it to have nice, clean fight without hiders. Just some hull smashing.

Now it's all fracked up. Cryptic messed it up a bit to much for my taste. I probably just roll a Romie to check new storyline. And then check Witcher I bought year ago and never played.

Thanks Cryptic. You are really good when it comes to screwing up with PvP experience for me.
um, what did you THINK was going to happen-hell, people were already talking about how battlecloaks were going to change FvF when LoR was announced?

Feds wanted BC, Cryptic gave them BC, now you're getting what your faction asked for.

Either way, as a Klink, it's not my problem, but I am enjoying the Schadenfreud, so thanks.
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# 13
05-26-2013, 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickngo View Post
Either way, as a Klink, it's not my problem, but I am enjoying the Schadenfreud, so thanks.
I think it'll be even funnier when FvF dies off and with 80% of the PvP dead it gets shut down completely. Its not rocket science, people generally hate playing against rogues classes BECAUSE they stealth. Is cloaking part of the IP? Of course. But now we see what really happens when one side says no to a military advantage on moral grounds. They have to sit around and wait to be attacked and hope they can survive a planned and coordinated attack from enemies they can't see. Wow! Does that sound ever so fun!! .... /facepalm.

Players can act superior all they want, but in the end belittling others will only result in making PvP more and more irrelevant in the game. What's the point of being a big fish in a pond getting smaller everyday?
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However, I think with regard to the Romulan Republic player characters/npcs, it all comes down to a finite point:

These are not the Romulans from the shows.
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# 14
05-26-2013, 03:32 AM
Honestly, did nobody see this coming? We all pointed out this is what would happen yet people refused to listen. You just made two factions pretty much the same and this is what you get. Boring, repetitive gameplay with no real distinction between any side. Congrats.
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# 15
05-26-2013, 03:57 AM
I haven't been tempted to join ANY queues since i got bsckfrom holiday. What's the point? Everything is biggy, the feds now have leech and i can't even stay logged in lol.
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# 16
05-26-2013, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by skyranger1414 View Post
I think it'll be even funnier when FvF dies off and with 80% of the PvP dead it gets shut down completely. Its not rocket science, people generally hate playing against rogues classes BECAUSE they stealth. Is cloaking part of the IP? Of course. But now we see what really happens when one side says no to a military advantage on moral grounds. They have to sit around and wait to be attacked and hope they can survive a planned and coordinated attack from enemies they can't see. Wow! Does that sound ever so fun!! .... /facepalm.

Players can act superior all they want, but in the end belittling others will only result in making PvP more and more irrelevant in the game. What's the point of being a big fish in a pond getting smaller everyday?
Not to change the topic... but the feds didn't not have cloak due to some moral imperative. They had no cloak because they signed a treaty with the Romulans......

Who are now joining them.... um hu
Or who are homicidal manics that are not relevant anymore....

Honestly the idea that the federation wouldn't start using cloaking at this point is just silly. If the events of the game unfold as they have there is no doubt the federation would install a cloak on every single ship in there fleet. Perhaps they wouldn't run around cloaked all the time form system to system... but if they where going into a hot zone darn right they would go in cloaked.

Its pretty much the most illogical piece of writing you can imagine. They didn't really think through the ramifications of blowing up a home world... destryoing a Romulan Gov and creating a new one willing to join sides... I would think the Romulans who are now the legit gov per Star Fleet would hand any tech the Feds didn't already have over.

Really the feds don't not have cloak cause they can't create one... it was all because of a treaty with a gov that no longer exists... its pretty weak writing. lol

Perhaps they need to write in a peace accord with the Klingons and have them sign a new none cloak agreement... cause fed diplomats are dumb like that.
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# 17
05-26-2013, 04:22 AM
Frankly, in ST cloak is not that usefull both in tactical and strategical terms. You can detect starships in cloak with sensors more powerfull then what you have on starships (bases, listening posts) even in lightyear distance. And it's pretty much impossible to use them in combat after it started because of long cloaking sequence and lack of shields - that means one torp or fully powered phaser shot and you are dead.

Third - in ST there is no such thing as "decloaking alpha strike". It simply does not work due to the shields (yay, we have shields). Not to mentaion that disruptors dont gain power and deal more damage just because you just decloaked. If anything it's the reverse as you need to actually transfer power from cloak to other systems.

So STO approach to cloak is not quite cannical. The fact that Feds are not mounting it is just small pimp on all this.

And as someone said - it's not FUN to fight cloakers (especially if you do not want to). Game is about... FUN! No fun, no game.
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# 18
05-26-2013, 04:24 AM
Go back to FvK please so I can actually do some pvp, thanks! Also I'm glad it annoys you guyz cuz you're hiding from us anyways.
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# 19
05-26-2013, 05:02 AM
Just mix the Q like the stfs.
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# 20
05-26-2013, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by lostusthorn View Post
FvF was the biggest mistake in PvP n STO so far.
Why?
Because it gives Fed another choice besides having to deal with all the crutch build KDF teams?
I remember when there was only F vs K and a lot of PVP'rs stopped playing PVP because they got sick of the way the Klingon premades and pugs would play.
I could go on and on giving examples of the things that the Klingons do or did that drove Fed players out of the queue's, or caused them to demad F vs F so that they could finally enjoy PVP and not have to deal with the Klingon players and thier "I win" button ships and less than honorable tatics.

Since then the 2 Factions have become more and more simmilar in abilities and equipment some of it has died down, but there are still some Klingon premades and players that rely solely on cheese and spam to win and it keeps many Fed players from F vs K queue's permanently.

I all boils down to Fed teams that really wanted good (fair) PVP couldent get it in the old F vs K queues.
When your fighting vs an enemy that has abilites/gear/tatics that there is no defence against and it ends up being just a big spawn camp there is no reason to ever enter that queue again.

So Cryptic adding F vs F was one of the few good decisions they made. At the time it was introduced it saved a lot of players from leaving the game to find better more balanced PVP.

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