Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 54
# 21
05-26-2013, 08:39 AM
I pretty much PUG ESTFs for the large part and can understand people wanting to leave due to AFK'ers. In my case (mostly) I choose not to because 1 less player means my odds of bagging a XII purp, 11 BNPs, etc. just went up.

In my viewpoint Cryptic/PWE could easily fix this by requiring a minimum amount of damage dealt out by each player in order to receive credit or rewards for mission completion. For instance, I don't see why they cannot install a minimum of like 200-250k DMG in an ESTF or the player will not get credited.

However, that is my opinion and for now the easiest route is to simply put the offending player on ignore so I am not matched with them again.
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,000
# 22
05-26-2013, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by rylanadionysis View Post
The ones I love are when youre the only DPS in the entire group, you carry the team as best you can, and miss the optional timer by just a few seconds.... and get blamed for it by someone in a cruiser ship obviously set up JUST to tank with no dps of their own. (of course talking about elite borg stfs here, but its in the same vein)

its like... dude shut up
Yes...had that SOOOO many times. Once was in KASE in my Kumari with a mix of blue and normal phasers all buffed by phaser relays. The amount of harassment I got for being a "rainbow noob" was unbelievable. I then proceeded to knock out 2 transformers + cubes single handedly, massacre the gate and obliterate the spam from the other gate and enjoy optional. No apology, no thanks, no gg. Just added to someone's ignore list at the end probably.

Like I say no point in one person leaving as you're punishing the other players and you end up getting nothing but a leavers penalty. Get everyone to leave as it punishes the AFKer. Though most players are as chatty as my garden wall so that's not always an option.

Best solution, join a channel like PublicEliteSTF and join private matches. Bad players tend to get ignored so won't get invites but if you're decent (you don't need to be 1337) you'll have a blast and almost never worry about AFK farmers and leavers.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 181
# 23
05-26-2013, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by abaddon653 View Post
So while running an Azure Nebula this evening the group I was in had one leech, not a big deal, it happens. Well half way through the mission one of the other guys bails over one guy, leaving the rest of us high and dry. His parting message:

"Leechers may leech off somebody else, I'm out of here"

Well I just wanted to tell everyone who does this that you are just as bad as the leech. Now I can understand leaving if it was an elite stf and there where two or more leechers, which I have seen happen before, but an Azure Nebula? I mean come on suck it up and finish the mission, all you are doing is punishing yourself by leaving, the leecher doesn't care.

If it's one guy ignore him, maybe throw the GMs a report if you like, but just keep going.
I do agree with what you are saying. However I handle this is a different way. And it does depend on the circumstances also. When leechers are in my STFs. I send them private messages saying the mission is going to take an hour without your help etc. It also depends on the strength of the group. If the mission that normally even with a weak group might take 20 mins Now will take an hour or more. That is time I do not have. Rather than leech myself or risk a leaver penalty. I proactively say in open chat. We are short one person based on the strength of this group this mission will now take three times as long. I ask everyone to just let the thing fail. So we call al more onto something else.

I go into another Q a lot faster without a leaver penalty and probably a much better chance of getting the mission bonus as well!
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,593
# 24
05-26-2013, 09:21 AM
Simply award NO marks till the end
so leavers get nothing

THEN award a small bonus for the person who gives the most healing
the person who completes the most non combat goals

etc
Captain
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 5,390
# 25
05-26-2013, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by kasandaro View Post
Honestly, there's no reason ever to leave Azure. I can testify* that it is in fact soloable, for minimal rewards, in a not-perfect Armitage. Chasing the vault weavers means you might get the other cutscene, and you really probably don't want to muck around with the named tarantula, but it's doable. Trioed it last night with an orb weaver and two cruisers (one fed, one kdf).

* I am still to this day not sure how I entered with four other people and was solo by phase II.
You're describing the Vault Ensnared, not Azure Nebula. Though you are correct, there's no reason to leave Azure either.
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,593
# 26
05-26-2013, 09:28 AM
To quote the LT in starship troopers

"I have one rule , everyone fights , no one quits"
Career Officer
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 4,415
# 27
05-26-2013, 09:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by abaddon653 View Post
So while running an Azure Nebula this evening the group I was in had one leech, not a big deal, it happens. Well half way through the mission one of the other guys bails over one guy, leaving the rest of us high and dry. His parting message:

"Leechers may leech off somebody else, I'm out of here"

Well I just wanted to tell everyone who does this that you are just as bad as the leech. Now I can understand leaving if it was an elite stf and there where two or more leechers, which I have seen happen before, but an Azure Nebula? I mean come on suck it up and finish the mission, all you are doing is punishing yourself by leaving, the leecher doesn't care.

If it's one guy ignore him, maybe throw the GMs a report if you like, but just keep going.
i saw someone in a shuttle pretending to afk, but i was having none of it and saw right through him without issue on klingon scout force as i was taking down groups of bops within 5 seconds. that player was flying a stalker fighter, by the time we cleared out the turrets and hit the battleships before the vo'quv needed to be destroyed, he promptly moved up his stalker fighter to the turret defense area and just sat there leeching.

in fairness i did give him a chance to stop jerking off and get into the fight but i guess he was more interested in making other work for something he had no right to. the team still did an alright job though 3rd in the overall...
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Captain
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 815
# 28
05-26-2013, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by bpharma View Post
The right thing to do is for everyone to leave.

The even more right thing to do is get a private match together and not pug. You can use channels like PublicEliteSTF to get groups together for STFs and other content like fleet missions and azure etc.
I really wish I could. I've got some stupid bug where I can't participate in private queues. It was fixed for about a week with /unhide but now it's back and nothing works. I've bugged it and asked for GM assistance to no avail.

It's all pugs for me sadly.
Republic Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 357
# 29
05-26-2013, 09:50 AM
Try to aggro a group of enemies, and lead them over to where the leech is parked. Then cloak.
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# 30
05-26-2013, 09:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluegrassgeek View Post
Try to aggro a group of enemies, and lead them over to where the leech is parked. Then cloak.
Wouldn help... they just stay dead, and wait for the reward.

They aren't there to stay alive... they are there to get Dil and marks.
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