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# 11
05-30-2013, 08:47 AM
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Now if only they'd fix this one little quirk with skirts... they're the first to beam out, but the last to beam in...
and teeth... teeth are last out, first in....
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# 12
05-30-2013, 08:55 AM
first one needs to understand basic transporter functionality. the transporter room and everything in it is required for moving people via teleportation.

we are talking about seperate super computer systems that track and record every atom of your being, exact counts on the electrons and their orbital positions at the moment of engaging the beaming.

not too mention all the back up power sources in case main power should fail.

yes they have beamed people to other locations, but you beam into the transporter rooms systems first, and then move to the other location, basically in an instant.

as a quirky side note there are massive moral issues involved with matter transportation, as you are scanned, recorded and recreated in a new location, and your old self is vaporized where it stood. failure to vaporize the original results in copy making, you can also be made out of transporter buffer data if you are still recorded within the buffer.
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# 13
06-13-2013, 08:29 AM
The main reason, according to Memory Alpha, is that a site-to-side transport is actually two transports.
First you are transported from your original location to the transporter matrix (but not rematerialised) and then from there to your new location. This takes twice the power of a normal transport.

For this reason it is only used in certain circumstances. For example, an injured person would be beamed directly to sickbay; but evacuating a ship (e.g the Lakul in Generations) would not use site-to-site as the priority is to get people out faster.
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# 14
06-13-2013, 09:56 AM
What I never understood with transports is why vaporize the original? Imagine you are a businessman, you are on Earth and you have a meeting on Mars. Why not upload your consciousness into the transporter buffer, let it appear on Mars with some form of identification that it is a copy and let you be in two places at once?

Also how do they know what they are transporting when doing site to site? The original may not be on a pad or the destination may not be on a pad. How do they manage this with a lack of imaging scanners off-pad?
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# 15
06-13-2013, 10:05 AM
From the old tech manuals, as well as FASA's RPG, in both, it was stated that site to site beaming took more energy, than a site to pad, and the least energy was consumed by pad to pad transporting.

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# 16
06-13-2013, 10:14 AM
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Thinkin about Star Trek and all its glorious technologies, I was wondering why have a room for transporters?

I could understand a transporter pad for cargo, maybe even for dignified quest. However there seems to be no need for a transporter pad per say. People are constantly transported from the surface of a planet or another ship directly to sick bay. One could also arrange site to site transport.

The inner workings of the transporter could simply be stored behind a wall, or several walls freeing up space, since the bulk of the transporter room, the pad and controls, are not necessary.

Does any one have any insight to why there are several transport rooms on star ships when apparently they are not required for transport?
site to site isnt as safe as pad to pad transport, much less to go wrong.

also it uses less power and is easyer to control disabling wepaons etc..
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# 17
06-13-2013, 10:22 AM
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What I never understood with transports is why vaporize the original? Imagine you are a businessman, you are on Earth and you have a meeting on Mars. Why not upload your consciousness into the transporter buffer, let it appear on Mars with some form of identification that it is a copy and let you be in two places at once?

Also how do they know what they are transporting when doing site to site? The original may not be on a pad or the destination may not be on a pad. How do they manage this with a lack of imaging scanners off-pad?
Ummm....the "original" as you put it isn't actually vaporized, nor is it just your consciousness that is transferred.
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# 18
06-13-2013, 10:34 AM
In universe, there is no vaporization, somehow everything one is is converted to energy, transmitted like that, and then converted back into matter.

However, there is the fun little book called the Science of Star Trek, at least fun if you like science. In that, it pointed out that no matter how you did it, at least as we know physics now, the act of converting an average human into energy would require enough energy to equal the total output from several atomic bombs. I don't remember the exact numbers off the top of my head, but it was enough to really damage the real estate.

Also, several times in Star Trek, the double effect has happened, one screen with Riker where there was a transporter accident and one of him when back to his ship, and the other of him got sent back to the ground where he was stuck for years until Riker came back on the Enterprise. But yes, in universe, everything is converted into energy and transfered, not just your mind.
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# 19
06-13-2013, 11:38 AM
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In universe, there is no vaporization, somehow everything one is is converted to energy, transmitted like that, and then converted back into matter.

However, there is the fun little book called the Science of Star Trek, at least fun if you like science. In that, it pointed out that no matter how you did it, at least as we know physics now, the act of converting an average human into energy would require enough energy to equal the total output from several atomic bombs. I don't remember the exact numbers off the top of my head, but it was enough to really damage the real estate.

Also, several times in Star Trek, the double effect has happened, one screen with Riker where there was a transporter accident and one of him when back to his ship, and the other of him got sent back to the ground where he was stuck for years until Riker came back on the Enterprise. But yes, in universe, everything is converted into energy and transfered, not just your mind.
It's not from the same book, but a similar one exploring the implications of scifi technologies, that the best way we can think of that physics would let us teleport an object would be by some kind of large scale quantum entanglement. You can't actually teleport an object as far as we know (at least nothing as large as a hydrogen atom or larger), but you could create a duplicate of it out of matter already present at the destination.

At that point you could vaporize the original and save it's matter to allow the same object or something else to be sent back.


Star Trek does not do this, but it has been used in some fiction. Fredrick Pohl used it in the Eschaton Trilogy, with the added conceit that once you have a pattern stored, you can keep it indefinitely and just make more copies.

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# 20
06-13-2013, 03:08 PM
Transporter room is from TOS when the ships were military and everything had it's place.
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