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Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Hi:

Ever since Season 7 started and the blue to purple reassign underperforming officers assignment's dilithium price got hiked up to 5000 dil, people lost any motivation to turn in blue doffs for purple ones. In its present state, the assignment is useless. It needs one of the following tweaks.
1) Guarantee doffs with the Resolve trait since the dil plus potential EC lost on not selling the blue doffs is so high (750,000-5,000,000 depending on the mix of doffs)
2) Lower the dil cost back down to something much more reasonable.
Rihannsu
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# 2
06-02-2013, 02:45 PM
Well, it seems to be doing what it was designed to do. Giving people with extra Doffs something to do with them besides selling them on exchange or dismissing them.
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# 3
06-04-2013, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
Well, it seems to be doing what it was designed to do. Giving people with extra Doffs something to do with them besides selling them on exchange or dismissing them.
How?

It costs 62.5% of a day's refining to convert 5 blues into one purple. I won't even go into the inefficiencies caused by the RNG and this "cost"...

Let's stick with this one situation. A decent DOffer can get 10 blues/day without breaking much sweat.
Day 1: spend 62.5% of dilithium income on converting 5 of the blues away. 5 leftover, 37.5% dil.

Day 2: spend 125% of dilithium income (aka reserves from day 1), convert the 10 new ones. Still 5 leftovers, 12.5% of a day's dilithium leftover...

Day 3: Can't afford another 125% of dilithium spending. Convert 5 of the 10, up to 10 blues in the backlog. And this is doing nothing but spending Dil on DOffing...

Therefore, IMO, it's not getting blues out of the system as efficiently as it should. If the "hardcore" DOffers backlog 10-15 blues a week diverting their entire dilithium income to DOffing only, there might be a problem...
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# 4
06-04-2013, 08:28 AM
*laughs hysterically* "10 blues a day"? From what? Getting 10 doffs a day isn't hard, but 10 BLUEs?

The costs actually make a lot of sense when you compare them to the costs to buy Doffs from Ferra. (500/2500/5000 and 1000/6000/12000)

If you choose to compact all your doffs, that's your problem. I see no reason why Cryptic should cater to you. In fact... people who were compacting everything are the reason the costs were increased.... You don't really think Cryptic will decrease them just because you can't afford to compact everything?
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# 5
06-04-2013, 10:07 AM
Eh, the part that bothers me is the completely random element. When it cost little or nothing, that was a fair enough gamble considering you were losing a number of decent blues or greens. I'm not interested in dropping 5k dilithium on top of that for yet another bartender or geologist.

The day that change happened was the day I pretty much stopped upgrading them like that/using that 'feature'. Now-a-days, my 'regular' duty officers seem to consist more of Delta Quadrant species than Federation/Klingon/Romulan ones...
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# 6
06-04-2013, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
The costs actually make a lot of sense when you compare them to the costs to buy Doffs from Ferra. (500/2500/5000 and 1000/6000/12000)
The costs actually make even less sense when you compare them to that. If a blue doff is worth 6,000 dil and a purple one 12,000...trading 5 blues for 1 purple should refund me 18,000.
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# 7
06-04-2013, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by warpangel View Post
The costs actually make even less sense when you compare them to that. If a blue doff is worth 6,000 dil and a purple one 12,000...trading 5 blues for 1 purple should refund me 18,000.
And now you're being silly... the compactor doesn't add up the "cost" of the doffs you compact....

Seriously... free purples = not gonna happen...
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# 8
06-04-2013, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by szerontzur View Post
Eh, the part that bothers me is the completely random element. When it cost little or nothing, that was a fair enough gamble considering you were losing a number of decent blues or greens. I'm not interested in dropping 5k dilithium on top of that for yet another bartender or geologist.

The day that change happened was the day I pretty much stopped upgrading them like that/using that 'feature'. Now-a-days, my 'regular' duty officers seem to consist more of Delta Quadrant species than Federation/Klingon/Romulan ones...
Fully agree here... the doff you get shouldn't be random

If i give 5 blue security doff i should get a purple security doff

If i give 2 securuty, 2 biologist and 1 trader, then my chances should be 40% of getting a security, 40% of getting a biologist, and 20% of getting a trader
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# 9
06-05-2013, 02:26 AM
Agreed, it's too expensive to get just ANOTHER WORTHLESS Biologist, Geologist, Botanist, Chef, Barkeeper or Entertainer for 5k Dilithium.
IMHO i don't think that cryptic will change the price, this is a long standing issue among DOFFers(cryptic overreacted a bit when they introduced the dilithium cost), but something has to be done, even if the System just upgrade the profession of the first dropped DOFF (blue security + 4 randoms? -> purple security with random chance to get resolve, 5 blue secuirty -> purple DOFF with guranteed resolve) so giving us our choice of DOFF we will get!
Captain
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# 10
06-05-2013, 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
And now you're being silly... the compactor doesn't add up the "cost" of the doffs you compact....

Seriously... free purples = not gonna happen...
But if it were fair, it would. It isn't, which is why nobody uses it anymore. It's a money sink, and no smart player uses money sinks unless there is no other choice. Better to use officer exchanges that just use up one doff.

That isn't to say 6,000 and 12,000 are accurate values for the doffs. I don't know about others but I've never bought one single doff from Ferra. And remember those are for doffs you select yourself, not randoms. A random purple would be worth even less.

Maybe 5 freely-selectable blues for one random purple would be worth it on average (assuming of course that you pick only the cheapest blues to trade, or bound ones), if there was no dil cost. Maybe. But I wouldn't pay 5,000 dil for a random purple even if it didn't eat 5 blues along with it.

As it is, junk blues are best downgraded into whites or used in officer exchange. An officer exchange with a blue + 1 crit trait gives about 1 in 5 chance of a purple. Just like an upgrade, but you'll also get blues or greens for the other 4 that didn't crit and there is no dil cost.

And the game is full of "free" purples, it happens every day.
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