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# 1 Fleet Ha'feh Assault Warbird
06-02-2013, 12:08 PM
Is it just me or isn't this ship a bit OTT?

1500 crew, Universal LT Comm and otherwise perfect BO slots, 5 tac consoles, the turn rate of a Fleet Patrol Escort and... A battlecloak....


What Fed fleet escort comes close? Or am I missing something here?


Ah, I see, it's freaking ugly.
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# 2
06-02-2013, 01:32 PM
There are numerous Fed escorts that measure up to this ship.

Andorian Charal Escort (4x TAC 4x ENG 2x SCI, +5 Fore weapons + special weapons, TR 16)

Andorian Khyzon Escort (4x TAC 2x ENG 4x SCI, +5 Fore weapons + special weapons, TR 16)

Blockade Runner Escort Retrofit (4x TAC 2x ENG 4x SCI, TR 16)

Fleet Patrol Escort (4x TAC 2x ENG 4x SCI, TR 16)

Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit (5x TAC 3x ENG 2x SCI, TR 17, Cloak)

Fleet Advanced Escort (5x TAC 2x ENG 3x SCI, TR 16, Pets)

Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier (4x TAC 3x ENG 3x SCI, TR 15, Pets)


The question which is the elephant in the room, is what does the KDF have in comparison.

The LTC Universal is more than likely due to the fact that there are so few options for Romulans to play with, unlike the Feds to a very large degree, and perhaps one could argue, in comparison - even with the KDF.

Last edited by drkfrontiers; 06-02-2013 at 01:43 PM.
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# 3
06-02-2013, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by drkfrontiers View Post
There are numerous Fed escorts that measure up to this ship.

Andorian Charal Escort (4x TAC 4x ENG 2x SCI, +5 Fore weapons + special weapons, TR 16)

Andorian Khyzon Escort (4x TAC 2x ENG 4x SCI, +5 Fore weapons + special weapons, TR 16)

Blockade Runner Escort Retrofit (4x TAC 2x ENG 4x SCI, TR 16)

Fleet Patrol Escort (4x TAC 2x ENG 4x SCI, TR 16)

Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit (5x TAC 3x ENG 2x SCI, TR 17, Cloak)

Fleet Advanced Escort (5x TAC 2x ENG 3x SCI, TR 16, Pets)

Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier (4x TAC 3x ENG 3x SCI, TR 15, Pets)


The question which is the elephant in the room, is what does the KDF have in comparison.

The LTC Universal is more than likely due to the fact that there are so few options for Romulans to play with, unlike the Feds to a very large degree, and perhaps one could argue, in comparison - even with the KDF.
I wouldn't put any of those escorts in the same league, for built in battlecloak that doesn't consume a console slot, PERFECT escort BO slots and console layout and crew. Where the Andorian escort might make up in dps, it lacks the battlecloak, crew, shield capacity and optimal BO layout of the Fleet Ha'feh. Do you honestly think that ship compares less favourably to the ones you just listed?
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# 4
06-02-2013, 02:33 PM
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I wouldn't put any of those escorts in the same league, for built in battlecloak that doesn't consume a console slot, PERFECT escort BO slots and console layout and crew. Where the Andorian escort might make up in dps, it lacks the battlecloak, crew, shield capacity and optimal BO layout of the Fleet Ha'feh. Do you honestly think that ship compares less favourably to the ones you just listed?
Each ship listed including the Romulan ones have their own merits, advantages and disadvantages. And why should it compare less favorably? Every single boff station you can fit into that LTC slot can be mirrored on the Fed side, and it comes with a battle-cloak, while the fed ships come with their own benefits which I need not point out.

Hypothetically speaking, what would you see taken away to make it balance in your eyes?

For months, if not years, Fed players have been asking for ships with battle cloak, and Cryptic came to the party with the only way that CBS licensing would permit that to happen.

And, personally just so that you know I am objective, if there are two things I hate in the game: 1.) Pet spam 2.) cloak. And peeps that swoop in on my bunny-run, but that's a whole different story ...

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# 5
06-02-2013, 02:38 PM
dark is right here, battle cloak isnt the all time best weapon, feed back pulse is a great way to deal with alphas for example and cycling ep2s with warp core doff.

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# 6
06-02-2013, 02:45 PM
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Each ship listed including the Romulan ones have their own merits, advantages and disadvantages. And why should it compare less favorably? Every single boff station you can fit into that LTC slot can be mirrored on the Fed side, and it comes with a battle-cloak, while the fed ships come with their own benefits which I need not point out.

Hypothetically speaking, what would you see taken away to make it balance in your eyes?
What disadvantage does that ship have? Unlike the Kumari, it doesn't sacrifice anything to get 5 tac consoles, sure, it doesn't have 5 forward weapons, but it has bigger shields, more hull and crew and the same turn rate AND A battlecloak with the ability to switch into a solid aux2batt build or something sci focused in a way only the Mobius really can. Hell, it's better to compare this ship with the mobius, and even then I'd trade the increased shields and the worst pet mechanic in the game for a little extra turn, 2x ltcom tac and battlecloak.

Point being, the list of disadvantages are pretty slim when compared to the fleet ships. It appears more like some lock box ship imo.
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# 7
06-02-2013, 05:04 PM
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What disadvantage does that ship have? Unlike the Kumari, it doesn't sacrifice anything to get 5 tac consoles, sure, it doesn't have 5 forward weapons, but it has bigger shields, more hull and crew and the same turn rate AND A battlecloak with the ability to switch into a solid aux2batt build or something sci focused in a way only the Mobius really can. Hell, it's better to compare this ship with the mobius, and even then I'd trade the increased shields and the worst pet mechanic in the game for a little extra turn, 2x ltcom tac and battlecloak.

Point being, the list of disadvantages are pretty slim when compared to the fleet ships. It appears more like some lock box ship imo.
it have 40 less power then the other ships (all romulan ships), 15 in all sub-systems to start with and not 25
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# 8
06-02-2013, 08:29 PM
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it have 40 less power then the other ships (all romulan ships), 15 in all sub-systems to start with and not 25
So you say this because you don't believe the singularity core mechanics make up for this?
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# 9
06-03-2013, 12:07 AM
It has a low inertia rating, other than that I think the batte cloak as opposed to a higher turn rate makes it only slightly worse than the bug, with a hull and shield to compare, however the Ha'feh has the advantage of having a more balanced science to engineer console ratio and therefore is about comparable to the bug if not for the low interia rating, even if the cloak dosen't make up for the turn rate its still the second most powerful escort in the game provided it's inertia is not a major issue. Perfect for suprise attacks though, it makes me want to invest in a Romulan char.

Edit: Forgot about sigularity cores, and lower subsystem power should not be a major issue compared to that power, it looks like a real contender to the bug.

Edit 2: Also, as I recently found out in an embassing fail, amount of crew does not affect anything (other than someones love for high numbers).

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# 10
06-03-2013, 04:15 AM
Crew describes your passive hull regens resistance to attack. Loose all your crew and you no longer passively regenerate hull...
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