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Lt. Commander
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 184
# 41
06-06-2013, 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by bitemepwe View Post
What exploit? I did not see you state an exploit at all. Just ***** about a ship you seem to hate for some reason.
Cloaking is not an exploit.
PSW is not an exploit.
CRF, TB, TS..... None of these are exploits.

Nor are they mentioned in your somewhat angry sounding post.

Infact I see no actual mention of an exploit at all by you.

Just a lot of bitchin

Whats wrong? Thissler Minimax Me or anybody been picking on you?

That unreasoning hate for such a fragile ship has got to comming from somewhere.

Hells bells, I said nothing but the truth in my post.

If the BoP is such an "endgame" ship why do the skies not run red in the premades, slaughtering all with ease?

So whats that exploit again the BoP does?
Its not your fault, the BoP is basically a flying exploit. It always has been and you Klingon's wonder why not many Federation players are interested in playing PvP. Its because of the whole Klingon persecution complex which the Klingons have when they have perhaps the most tactically powerful ships in the game.

The game would not be half as bad if the Klingon playerbase were not so whiney and would not resort to using Transphasic mines which are just broken in the 20th degree.

You do not seem to get that you make yourself look bad.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,722
# 42
06-06-2013, 03:00 AM
Meh, I play Feds vs Feds often and I see the same **** in that queue.


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Lieutenant
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 99
# 43
06-06-2013, 04:07 AM
Yes another "cruisers are useless" thread.

I'm not flying a cruiser, have tried to set one up, did fairly good with it.
It's just the amby, but got it pretty nice still, nothing compared to a perfectly built assault cruiser or a excell.

I can say this tho, as i have said many times....
I've met cruisers that shredd my escort in minutes [a2b on mine], and this has been one on one.
So saying that cruisers have no purpose, is totally wrong.
I have also said that there are a bit more work with cruisers than there is with escorts.
Some succeed, and some dont.

It's only one thing to do, try, if that doesn't work, keep at it!
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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 126
# 44
06-06-2013, 04:31 AM
Cruisers have one inherent problem, its takes a while to build them up to be the ship you expect it to be.

Escorts have the advantage of being high damage right out of the shipyard with only MK 11 blues picked up from the exchange for weapons. For the cruiser to work correctly it needs the top end tier stuff.

Take for instance my fleet excelsior. Before i got the 2 piece borg set, i was using the Aegis set, i was killed quite a bit. Once i got the borg 2 piece set and the maco shield, then the fleet anti proton cannons/turrets, fleet anti proton beams and now the romulan plasma beams and all the goodies which increase plasma damage its a different ship.

Ive seen that ship tank a jem bug and an andorian escort, and while they are behind me, the romulan plasma torp and the 3 beams at the back are making them think twice of staying back there.

Ive seen oddys on the opposite team being wailed on by a d'kora, me, and a HEC and not even flinching.

Cruisers take time, and top end reputation to bring the inline with an escort, the PVP match i just left had me second overall damage in a 5v5 team and there was a lot of escorts in there.

The only thing cryptic need to do in order to bring the cruiser line at least slight behind the escorts, is to make them powerfull straight out the shipyard with lower end weapons, like most of the escorts are able to do.

However, me and all cruiser captains know that this will never happen, because Cryptic are all about the Pew Pew, thats why this game is Star Trek: In Name Only.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,268
# 45
06-06-2013, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
the highlight reals are often the exception, not the rule. a TT or RSP stops these attacks cold. in this vid, me in the falaxy tanked quite a few attacks due to quick reacting on my part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL1Z...U&feature=plcp

these beautiful alphas are quite hard to pull off, require the right circumstances, and timing has to be absolutely perfect.
Yeah, with me it's about 1 target out of 15-20 that I get to kill like that, with a flawless approach, decloak + BO2 + HY3 torps + TB2s = enemy goes boom. Most of the time they manage to shrug it off with minimal damage, or I manage to hit them hard but they limp away with 10-20% health. That's why I REALLY like working with a decent BoP wingman who can coordinate his attacks with mine to catch the opponent with a second decloak alpha, perhaps after a subnuke that clears his hastily-raised buffs.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 46
06-06-2013, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bitemepwe View Post
And thats the greatness of raider class. Utility paid for with fragility.
A PsW build is an old build but a good one. Do you use all cannons, DHCs and BO3 shot, or what to lower the shields during the stun.
How do you react to the experienced cruisers who bounce your alpha?

Im seriuos. This wierd hatred against the BoP have in this thread is silly and blinded by wounded pride I think if such a fragile but swiss army knife (saw a BoP healer once, was amazing) vessel makes them bark so loud.
You know why the Targ barks dont you?
I use a build similar to one I've seen Thissler use before. . .BO2, HY3 quantum torps, and Tractor Beam 2. I don't have it 100% optimized with all the best consoles, but it generally does the trick if I'm quick enough. I've been thinking I should really throw in a reliable stun, just to keep up with the performance of the blasted Romulans.

If my target repels the attack without taking a lot of damage, I just circle him a bit and then fall back and line up for another shot or pick a different target. If he HAS taken a lot of damage and doesn't pull a massive hull or shield heal out of his ass, I might try to take him down with my two DHCs on rapidfire and whatnot, but the odds of that really working are kinda low.

And yeah, the hate against the BoP is weird. For every BoP pilot I see that generally kicks butt, I see one that doesn't do quite as good of a job and really demonstrates the weakness of the BoP class, or they're running a B'rel retrofit and not doing a good job of it (just biting someone's ankles, rather than really hammering them with kinetic damage and bleedthroughs). There are good pilots, and bad pilots. The good pilots (and I like to think of myself as reasonably good, but far from the best) are the ones that get people pissed off.
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# 47
06-06-2013, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by sterlingwarbird View Post
Its not your fault, the BoP is basically a flying exploit. It always has been and you Klingon's wonder why not many Federation players are interested in playing PvP. Its because of the whole Klingon persecution complex which the Klingons have when they have perhaps the most tactically powerful ships in the game.

The game would not be half as bad if the Klingon playerbase were not so whiney and would not resort to using Transphasic mines which are just broken in the 20th degree.

You do not seem to get that you make yourself look bad.
Your still spouting blind accusations of exploit without offering evidence that proves it.

I have no concern why the feds cry foul and hide if they can actually list this BoP exploit that they fear so much in fvK pvp.

You cry about exploits and even whine about whinning but offer no proof.

Complain when the issue is not your wounded fed pride burning and you actually have found an exploit.
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Posts: 478
# 48
06-06-2013, 05:22 AM
It's hard to belive that cruisers are easy to destroy or useless.
My sci/sci toon only use 2xTT, 2xTSS ans 2xHE (no eng abilities except a EPtW and no other tactical abilities) as defensive ability and that is enough to survive to more than an alpha strike. A cruiser has access to much more healing abilities (EPtS, AtS, RSP...) and a eng has also career's specific abilities. Moreover every ship can use doffs and devices (cruisers have 4 device's slot)... and now also feds have the plasmonic leach to increase every subsystem's energy level (shield resistance and regeneration increase with power level).

What a lot of player do not accept is that cruiser are intended to be tanker and/or healer, sci vessels are debuffer (and somehow healer) and escorts are attack ship. If you try to play your science vessel or your cruiser with the idea of dps, then you are simply wrong.... it' like flying and escort to heal your teammate.

Moreover it's also false that cruisers are useless... no escort can survive long when 2 escorts try to destroy it or a sci vessel disable it and no sci vessel can heal as much as a cruiser only cruiser can help and save such a escort... and do not forget that BFaW is perfect to destroy pets and heavy torpedo, or spam your weapon's procs.
Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 366
# 49
06-06-2013, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sterlingwarbird View Post
Its not your fault, the BoP is basically a flying exploit. It always has been and you Klingon's wonder why not many Federation players are interested in playing PvP. Its because of the whole Klingon persecution complex which the Klingons have when they have perhaps the most tactically powerful ships in the game.

The game would not be half as bad if the Klingon playerbase were not so whiney and would not resort to using Transphasic mines which are just broken in the 20th degree.

You do not seem to get that you make yourself look bad.
Really? I mean - come on. BoP is no more OP then Fed science ships. Just because you have problem with dealing with it it does not mean that it's OP. I have problems with battlecruisers when flying my beamscort, but I'm not crying that BCs are OP.
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# 50
06-06-2013, 05:51 AM
Cruisers are perhaps less forgiving and harder to bring up to a good level, but of course there is a point to them: to allow one to play the game in a different fashion. Maybe they are all-round less effective than an escort. But some people play them for the challenge, others because they just like the concept of tankier ships, others for the RP aspect.
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