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# 11
06-06-2013, 10:35 AM
The Borg were retconned into Enteprise, so they should certainly be around in the JJ timeline.

If they wanted Q, they could just as easily recast as call up John DeLancie. Certainly Patrick Stewart wouldn't be needed for "baby Picard". Not much need for a crossover.

Having an alternate timeline gives them free reign to reinvent things as they see fit. Why would they want to shackle themselves to the prime timeline? Regrettably, we are no longer the target audience. The push is to make the franchise profitable by making it more "accessible", i.e. less "Trek". Occasional nods to the actual Trek fans are all that's required.

Look at the uniforms in the new movie. For the most part, they're generic gray sci-fi uniforms. The only time we see the "classic" uniforms at all is on the Enterprise itself.
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# 12
06-06-2013, 11:07 AM
I think he was only teasing, but I really don't want to see them encounter the Borg. They are on the 5-year mission, use some creativity and invent something new, Orci!

With Q, I could see them doing like in the novels and connecting the omnipotent beings like Apollo in TOS being a Q. And I wouldn't mind a cameo by Delancy and Stewart in returning Spock back to the Prime timeline.
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# 13
06-06-2013, 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by bberge1701 View Post
The Borg were retconned into Enteprise, so they should certainly be around in the JJ timeline.
You make a good point, one which I'd forgotten. In essence, that's another time alternate, Borg to the past, and now with the Antarctic expedition borgified and on its way to tell the rest about Earth. So yeah, I suppose a movie could cover the fallout from that.

If they must fight, I still want a Klingon war, though. However, if they can make a movie without major conflict, I'd be interested in something along the lines of City On The Edge Of Forever.
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# 14
06-06-2013, 08:18 PM
In my point of view I would prefer to see an orginal story arc for the next movie. If they are really serious about a re-boot then give me some new stories. I have always been a great fan of the prime timeline (grew up on TNG) but I have enjoyed the new movies as well. In my mind I can keep the two timelines seperate and enjoy both universes without having to erase one or the other. This is a lot easier to do when they are not trying to reimagine ever piece of the prime universe. What I would think would work better would be now that we have had the links to the prime universe both in establishment (Trek 2009) and a reborn/reimagined villian (Into Darkness) let's see some advantures set around this new 5 year mission. And the klingons do make a great antagonist. After all no matter how the fallout was managed I can't imagine the Empire is too happy with the Federation after the events of Into Darkness.
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# 15
06-07-2013, 12:51 AM
I imagine the real problem is a lack of good stories to tell-between the various strains of the shows, and the original movies, Trek's mined pretty hard, and given that we ARE talking about two-hour bites (at most), to find 'original' material means digging into the rather dry well of short-story science fiction writers out there.


MOST of the best ones read Harlan Ellison's essay regarding what went on when he wrote "City on the edge of Forever", and his longer essays "The Glass Teat" and "The Other Glass Teat".

Given that the Trek franchise is back in the hands of a Network, with Network Executives AND Hollywood Accounting in full force, I wonder if it's even POSSIBLE to find someone to pen an Original story, that will get by CBS's executives, focus-groups, media accountants, etc. etc. etc. and most importantly-one that has the clout to actually get PAID at the end of it.
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# 16
06-07-2013, 01:54 AM
Originally Posted by jovianus View Post
My thoughts?

1. Let the Borg rest in peace, please. They've been abused enough.

2. I don't see Q working in a movie. He's fine in an episodic setting, where his meddling is usually intended to prove a point or something, but having an Omnipotent Being sitting around being smarmy would suck all the drama out of a major movie.
That, and it seems to be the case that the continuum span universes - so that there is no "alternate reality Q" - just Q.
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# 17
06-07-2013, 02:33 AM
Personally, I think the one real mistake that JJ and crew made with the re-imagined Star Trek was that they really didn't need an alternate timeline to do what they wanted. We have seen only three years of the five year mission. They could have just as easily done movies that took place in year 4 and 5. Not to mention all the time that passed between completing the five year mission and ST:TMP.
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# 18
06-07-2013, 02:58 AM
Im a huge Borg fan and I really hope The Borg never show up in a JJ-verse movie, Primarily due to the fact he would probably destroy them like he does to everything, I cant even bare to put my mind to the ways he could mess them up.

why not just invent new aliens to combat or even hell a Mirror universe would be acceptable over Borg in a movie like this.
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# 19
06-07-2013, 03:29 AM
No Borg please, the mirror universe has not been shown in a movie yet, I'd say yes for a mirror mirror type plot.

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# 20
06-07-2013, 03:34 AM
I find myself remembering that for Star Trek 2009 (a film I really enjoyed) Orci, Lindelof and Abrams went to great lengths to tell everyone that this "Isn't a reboot" to the point where in an interview on trekmovie.com Orci stated that having "an alternate timeline allows us to create new ideas. Theres no point in redoing old ideas when we have this great sandbox to play in"

Then they remade Wrath of Khan. Then JJ appeared on Conan and referred to the "rebooted Star Trek franchise"

Plus Orci has suggested for years he'd like to do the borg. So I fully expect Trek 3 to have the Klingons and the Borg. Praxis has already blown up so frak it, go whole hog. The reason Changs ship can fire when cloaked is it has modified Borg tech the Klingons salvaged from the Narada.

... As much as I love Star Trek '09, I left the cinema after Into Darkness full of nothing but anger directed at JJ Abrams. The Star Wars fanboys will feel the same when they see Vader as the villain again. Now, I'm just ambivalent toward the whole thing. I've got the TOS movies, the series and STO to keep me happy. I'm not going to rush to the cinema to see Trek 3 however
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