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Career Officer
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I have played with a KDF Bop for years, and have played against battle cloaking bops for just as long. I understand that if I cloak while someone has me targetted, I drop my shields and die, or if someone hits me while I am cloaked, my cloak will fall off. Any KDF that has tried to cloak away from me gets pretty much insta popped. There is definately a bad time to cloak.


These Romulan ships dont seem to do this. I havent used one myself, but everytime I see one cloak 2 km away while I am shooting at it, they simply disappear, I cant target them, cant break the cloak, and certainly dont pop them like I expect to pop any ship that turns its shileds off in front of my CRF. - Romulans seem to be able to cloak whenever they want, with no penalty.


What am I missing?
Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
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# 2
06-07-2013, 04:58 PM
There's still the 3s delay that they can be targeted after they hit cloak. They'll still get hit by any torps/weapons fire that was underway at the moment the cloak interacts (or afterward, depending on how the torps take to get there).

Getting hit by normal weapons fire/torps won't break a battle cloak. That's no different for the RBC/REBC than for the KBC/KEBC.

Same thing takes place whether I'm in a Fleet T'varo on my Reman Sci or in a Hegh'ta on my KDF Sci...

The Romulan Cloaks do have a slightly higher base Stealth Value than the Klingon Cloaks, but the Romulan Cloaks can lose up to 400 Stealth Value depending on how much Singularity Charge they have.

There's also going to be the issue of Sub/Infil stacking to give much higher Stealth Values than they should, so it could be as simple as that...as far as what you're experiencing with them disappearing compared to KDF folks disappearing. 300+ additional Stealth Value means 6km better Stealth Distance...poof, gone from your screen while the KDF at a similar distance might still be visible.
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Commander
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# 3
06-07-2013, 08:14 PM
I don't know if that is what the OP meant, virus. (If it is then nevermind!)

If he means what I think he means is the fact that romulans don't seem to die. I was doing some pvping this morning and their was a T'varo running as a torp boat. I would occasionally take him out of cloak with either phaser proc or tric mines, or even just get a shot at him when he fired his torps. Any BoP would just get vaporized usually by BO or HY, but these rommie ships seem to take it in stride. They seem much more resilient than anything else when their shields are down.

My guess, at least with this T'Varo was he was using torps to keep himself in combat until quantum absorption was up, hit it, and come out swinging. I was getting irritated at first, as my weapons seemed to be healing him rather than hurting him. But, QA is a bit cheesy with EBC, so meh.

They also have much higher hull than BoPs, so maybe that's a thing to consider as well.
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# 4
06-07-2013, 08:23 PM
I thought I noticed in testing on tribble that sometimes when I cloaked in combat my foe would lose targeting on me almost immediatly.
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# 5
06-07-2013, 08:35 PM
The T'varo is definitely a beefier build than the B'rel, no doubt about that.

Fleet T'varo has a base hull of 29700 (and a shield mod of 0.99).
Fleet B'rel has a base hull of 24750 (and a shield mod of 0.88).

If a person is flying a Torp'varo, then they've also likely taken Fortified Hull instead of Enhanced Shield Penetration...giving them +5% Hull.

For the Fleet T'varo that means...+1485 hull.
For a Fleet B'rel that means...+1237.5 hull.

The guy flying the Fleet B'rel though, is probably less likely to take the Fortified Hull though because of not only options there...but the lack of incentive since it doesn't have access to that nifty 2pc set the T'varo can run.

While the B'rel has the +10% Escort Bonus Defense and the T'varo does not, the guy in the T'varo has much easier access to +Def BOFFs that will stack. So while the B'rel could manage greater Defense, it's more likely that the average T'varo (even without the +10%) will have a higher Defense.

And yes, the T'varo will have access to Quantum Absorption. Odds are they'll have the Singularity Stabilizer console as well, so they'll be able to run QA more often. Heck, they may even sport a [SingA][SingC] Core so that they build Singularity Charge faster and the CDs on Singularity Abilities are shorter. Add in some PWO DOFFs that build Singularity Charge (since the 2pc reduces Torp CD anyway)...and yep, you're looking at that much more QA.

Personally I prefer the Singularity Jump for the Acc Debuff, targetable clearing, and just plain ol' positioning.

So yeah, from that angle there would be an issue as well... can't do the Sci BoP w/ 4x Sci BOFFs... but you can make a mean Torp'varo.

Course, if you see one drop a Mega Torp - I recommend blowing up the torp as soon as possible, lol...pretty good odds that they'll die from the splash when it pops. Speaking of which, if you want to troll somebody on your team...shoot at it while its within the splash range, they'll get hit by the splash even though you popped it. Evil torp...evil...lol...torp.
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# 6
06-08-2013, 04:37 AM
Basically, Romulans are hilariously OP, and that's before a certain broken universal console.
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# 7
06-08-2013, 07:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pulserazor View Post
I have played with a KDF Bop for years, and have played against battle cloaking bops for just as long. I understand that if I cloak while someone has me targetted, I drop my shields and die, or if someone hits me while I am cloaked, my cloak will fall off. Any KDF that has tried to cloak away from me gets pretty much insta popped. There is definately a bad time to cloak.


These Romulan ships dont seem to do this. I havent used one myself, but everytime I see one cloak 2 km away while I am shooting at it, they simply disappear, I cant target them, cant break the cloak, and certainly dont pop them like I expect to pop any ship that turns its shileds off in front of my CRF. - Romulans seem to be able to cloak whenever they want, with no penalty.


What am I missing?
I just happened to have this clip of a BOP taking fire while cloaked lying about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT6NO...ature=youtu.be

And truth be told, cloaking in front of your CRF is likely a pretty safe proposition. Anyone's CRF even.

Anyway, cheers and happy flying and all that!

EDIT: And as far as I know the names are pure coincidence. Honest.
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Last edited by thissler; 06-08-2013 at 07:52 AM.
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# 8
06-08-2013, 09:29 AM
Hahah, nice one.


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# 9
06-08-2013, 09:35 AM
There is no magic, cloak gives +50% defense at the time you press the icon.
Yes it is too good for ships that aldrealy have top tier stats and bo layouts.
Captain
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# 10
06-08-2013, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bitemepwe View Post
I thought I noticed in testing on tribble that sometimes when I cloaked in combat my foe would lose targeting on me almost immediatly.
This. I had a dogfight the other day, my Mogai against a Dhelan, and whenever the Dhelan activated its battlecloak my weapons immediatly lost target despite the fact that I could still see the Dhelan for a few seconds more.
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