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# 1 Fleet armitage sucks!
06-09-2013, 03:47 AM
So I got myself a fleet Armitage and replaced it with my bug ship, I loaded out the fleet Armitage with all the gear my bug ship had,

Now the bug ship has a hull rating of 34,500 and a crew of 50
Fleet armitage 35,200 crew of 200.

So with the hull and crew increase you would have thought the armitage would have better survive ability.
NO IT DOESN'T.
in fact it's worse a lot worse.

In my bug ship I can sit still in Azura nebula and pick off a group of Tholians holding a D'deredix ship with no real problems. Hull will go Down to about 70%

Tried the same thing in the armitage and I died twice.

I'm constantly having to look at my ship status and repairing the hull and shields while I find myself screaming at the monitor telling my bridge officer healing abilities to hurry up and recharge.

Its so frustrating that such a good ship with supposedly better stats for taking damage is so bad.

So I'm going back to my bug ship, lighter, better dps, better survive ability but will miss torpedo point defence.

Rant over
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# 2
06-09-2013, 03:49 AM
Did you at any point consider that the armitage requires a different playstyle than the bug does?
My name may say "PWE member", but I will never be.
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# 3
06-09-2013, 04:20 AM
My bug ship has the cream of the crop adapted Borg set.

Tried the armitage with that and it didn't do well, also tried adapted maco set, maco set, omega set, Romulan set,reman set and breen set.

All of them cream xii purples and all had the same effect.

So to answer your question yes I did consider it.
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# 4
06-09-2013, 04:21 AM
Gear has very little to do with playstyle...

I am a little concerned that you think they are the same.
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-NEVER Forget the Screwups and ignorance made towards the people who supported the game through 2011
Don't look silly, don't call it "Zen-Store" - Don't waste devs time, Post proper bug-reports
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# 5
06-09-2013, 04:22 AM
There's a difference between "different playstyle" and "different equipment set"...

*EDIT: got ninja'd by Anazonda*
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# 6
06-09-2013, 04:22 AM
I fly a fleet Armitage and have no more ssues surviving than in any other escort.
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# 7
06-09-2013, 04:29 AM
All I do with Azura nebula is sit there not moving and firing all weapons. An escort is not designed to be a tank and yet it managed it fine.

So you would have thought a heavier ship would have been able to do this better. And it didn't.

So I tried strafing runs and that was worse due to the lower turn rate. I launched fighters to take the heat off but they died as quickly as I did.

When clearing bird of prey groups in Azura the bug takes little to no damage and its over fairly quickly. The armitage even with the same dps rate as the bug takes longer to clear them and hull goes down to about 60%.

No matter how I fight tactically or what set I use the outcome is always the same.

I can certainly see why the bug ship is so sort after with a high price tag.
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# 8
06-09-2013, 04:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by supergirl1611 View Post
I fly a fleet Armitage and have no more ssues surviving than in any other escort.
Do you have a bug ship?
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# 9
06-09-2013, 04:38 AM
As someone who flies a standard Armitage and has zero survivability issues in Azure Nebula, have you considered that the Fleet Armitage isn't the problem and that maybe the Bugship is actually performing on a level above all other ships?

So rather then the Fleet Armitage being underpowered, maybe the Bug is just overpowered, hence the reason it's such a sought after ship
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# 10
06-09-2013, 04:39 AM
I don't have a Bug to compare but I survive just fine in my Armitage.

Wouldn't surprise me if something was up with the Bug's innate defense value or a resistance trait.

That said, the Bug ship is the biggest mistake Crypric ever made balance wise.
It should have been a Raider like the Romulan and Klingon BoPs minus the cloak.
Difficult to hit because of their speed but when hit dying fast.
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