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# 91
06-18-2013, 08:42 PM
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It's a subject which definitely deserved to be addressed, rather than written off as a Prime Directive matter, so I think you handled it really nicely

I figured Bryan wouldn't be the kind of Admiral to get desk-bound, although I suspect Jedda's gotten rather comfortable being desk-bound She probably won't object to Bryan's actions, as she's never been hellishly 'by the book', but also finds the entire concept of joining repulsive, so would be grateful to Bryan for saving her countymen from what she looks on as a violation of free will, so will probably have his back more than she'll let on (I named the character after Jedda Walker and Justine Tobin, and she and Marcus were only ever friends and colleagues )
Bryan tends to be a little stubborn when he wants something done (hence why Admiral Yanishev called him a loose cannon ). And, from the sounds of it, Ibalei and Admiral Tobin are going to be great friends [/sarcasm]
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# 92
06-19-2013, 01:49 AM
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Bryan tends to be a little stubborn when he wants something done (hence why Admiral Yanishev called him a loose cannon ). And, from the sounds of it, Ibalei and Admiral Tobin are going to be great friends [/sarcasm]
I think that can be a good thing when the situation calls for it, but it would be interesting to see that tendency used against Bryan somehow in a future LC, not necessarily getting hauled in for a dressing down, as I'm sure he'd talk his way clear, but maybe being manipulated somehow I think she would respect Zizania's accomplishments, but has never liked the idea of joining

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# 93
06-19-2013, 10:24 PM
@cosmonaut12345: I don't know if you ever listen to Star Trek: Outpost, but now that I realize Rose is from Sigma Iotia, I find myself thinking that she'd get along great with Lieutenant Exler from that series. Anyway...you did do a great job of showing the PTSD effects of her assimilation, to the point of even mentally demeaning a fellow victim. It was written in a compelling way, so a job well done.

@gorvar1: A most memorable line: "Tell them the people of Virinat are coming for 'em." And looking forward to see if we learn anything more about Doutra's species...

@patrickngo: While I admit I generally have little to no interest in KDF-related stories, this look at Ferasan culture was very interesting, both for the insight it offered into K'tirr, and into the Ferasans themselves. It somehow makes sense that it would be Kahless himself who would get another warrior race to submit willingly and consider an alien Dominant One--given how little most modern Klingons seem to truly have any honor, it makes me think that had anyone else been there, they would not have given the original K'tirr the dignity of being named undefeated by the one who slew him. Kahless showed a type of respect I don't tend to see in modern Klingons.

@shevet: I know we'd seen a hint of Tylha's prejudice before, but seeing it turn into full-blown racism...thank goodness we find out the reason for what's going on. I suspect that having experienced something like that--which she seemed suitably ashamed about afterwards--will really make her think and re-evaluate a lot of things. And since her introspection saved her in this case, I suspect she would indeed take that to heart. Plot-wise, a really well-done story! Were you influenced at all by Diane Duane's Intellivore? I wonder if this thing could be related...

@jonsills, Man, something tells me Grunt won't ever leave a skeleton crew again... That crew has such bad luck...I like them, though--it seems like the crises have made a very cohesive unit out of them. Something tells me a disruption to the staff would be a lot more trouble than an external crisis...

@marcusdkane and ironphoenix113: I suspect it would surprise Tobin to find out how Zizania handled the unwanted joining. I wonder if she has ever heard of a symbiont showing such respect and actually staying separate enough for there to still be some distinction between the two beings?
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# 94
06-19-2013, 11:25 PM
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@patrickngo: While I admit I generally have little to no interest in KDF-related stories, this look at Ferasan culture was very interesting, both for the insight it offered into K'tirr, and into the Ferasans themselves. It somehow makes sense that it would be Kahless himself who would get another warrior race to submit willingly and consider an alien Dominant One--given how little most modern Klingons seem to truly have any honor, it makes me think that had anyone else been there, they would not have given the original K'tirr the dignity of being named undefeated by the one who slew him. Kahless showed a type of respect I don't tend to see in modern Klingons.
It's digging into things like this that always drags me back into writing Klingon/KDF centered stories-with Starfleet stories it's so easy to relax and let the technobabble do the problem solving and character development. I'd agree with you on Kahless-but that's why he's a legend. An American president once quipped that "Any man can endure hardship, the truest test of a man's character is Power." Anyhow, thanks for reading my scribblings.
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# 95
06-20-2013, 03:17 AM
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@marcusdkane and ironphoenix113: I suspect it would surprise Tobin to find out how Zizania handled the unwanted joining. I wonder if she has ever heard of a symbiont showing such respect and actually staying separate enough for there to still be some distinction between the two beings?
As a native of Trill, she grew up seeing all manner of joinings, both mild and severe, but sees the entire process as a kind of bondage/enslavement, and that even a host with more control than others, still has compromised liberty, which is why she never considered entering the symbiosis commission. As a child, she was kidnapped, which may be why she values her personal freedom so greatly...
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# 96
06-20-2013, 09:12 AM
First, let me say I am enjoying every entry so far! Such an interesting topic

@patrickngo - I really loved the cultural aspect of this piece, from the perceptions of Scout Captain to the interactions of the crew to each other. Very well done and makes me want to play a Ferasan (or Caitian for that matter).

@shevet - Another thought-provoking piece! Their predicament with the illness had me glued to the pages. I was overdue on my lunch break thanks to you

@flamesight - Dylan is a winning character! You really made her to be an ultimate "villain" (from a non Tal Shiar perspective) and the interactions between the crew gave each of them a personality, including the foolish Helmsman. Please come back to the next LC!

@jonsills - YAY Grunt! Such an unlucky Ferengi, but lucky to have the crew he's got. So, is the Bastard ... destroyed?

I've got a few more to read. I feel humble to be sharing fiction with this group
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# 97
06-20-2013, 10:29 AM
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It's digging into things like this that always drags me back into writing Klingon/KDF centered stories-with Starfleet stories it's so easy to relax and let the technobabble do the problem solving and character development.
Depends on how you approach it. If you take it the goody-two-shoes TNG way, then yeah. If you take a more cynical approach, the Feds leave you a lot more room for writing. One thing I've been particularly interested in is the increased militarization of Starfleet. That's actually one reason why, even with its flaws, I've stuck with STO. I've felt like this is the direction Starfleet ultimately needed to go. That it needed to quit being ashamed of being a military and start treating its ship crews and its troops accordingly. Especially on the ground, where until STO they never received proper armaments, defenses, or training. All because the Feddies wanted to pretend their enemies could be mollified by soft words and by rolling over and showing the Federation's soft, fuzzy belly.

The thing is, IMHO you have to be willing to allow conflict to happen on the Fed side, be it an external conflict with real consequences, an internal conflict in the crew, or a conflict between the Federation's stated values and actual needs or actual practice. Roddenberry's frequent unwillingness to allow this is why TNG became stale. And when VOY tried to copy TNG's formula...well...disaster ensued.

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I'd agree with you on Kahless-but that's why he's a legend. An American president once quipped that "Any man can endure hardship, the truest test of a man's character is Power." Anyhow, thanks for reading my scribblings.
Very true. I tend to feel that Kahless, Worf, and perhaps the monks of Boreth are among the only ones who still comprehend honor. My opinion of the Klingons is about on par with Ezri's.
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# 98
06-20-2013, 11:25 AM
@ironphoenix113 - Bryan is the leader of the 1st? Isn't the fleet your actual in-game fleet? Anyway, I'm impressed by your fleet combat writing: its a change from what is expected and I appreciate that.

As I read these LCs I'm getting to know your Captains and crew. Keeping up with the differences is challenging but I am really enjoying seeing them progress. Everyone is doing a great job keeping Star Trek alive and well
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# 99
06-20-2013, 11:34 AM
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First, let me say I am enjoying every entry so far! Such an interesting topic

@patrickngo - I really loved the cultural aspect of this piece, from the perceptions of Scout Captain to the interactions of the crew to each other. Very well done and makes me want to play a Ferasan (or Caitian for that matter).

@shevet - Another thought-provoking piece! Their predicament with the illness had me glued to the pages. I was overdue on my lunch break thanks to you

@flamesight - Dylan is a winning character! You really made her to be an ultimate "villain" (from a non Tal Shiar perspective) and the interactions between the crew gave each of them a personality, including the foolish Helmsman. Please come back to the next LC!

@jonsills - YAY Grunt! Such an unlucky Ferengi, but lucky to have the crew he's got. So, is the Bastard ... destroyed?

I've got a few more to read. I feel humble to be sharing fiction with this group
I really have to thank the folks at Cryptic/CBS for not writing the Ferasans into a neat little box so that I could come up with cultural drives. It's a lot easier to write a good 'legendary' history for a species when the IP holders haven't got reams and reams of extensive backstory sitting on wikipedia pages for people to get hacked about and nitpick.

and cmdrscarlet, don't be TOO humbled...
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# 100
06-20-2013, 11:40 AM
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Depends on how you approach it. If you take it the goody-two-shoes TNG way, then yeah. If you take a more cynical approach, the Feds leave you a lot more room for writing. One thing I've been particularly interested in is the increased militarization of Starfleet. That's actually one reason why, even with its flaws, I've stuck with STO. I've felt like this is the direction Starfleet ultimately needed to go. That it needed to quit being ashamed of being a military and start treating its ship crews and its troops accordingly. Especially on the ground, where until STO they never received proper armaments, defenses, or training. All because the Feddies wanted to pretend their enemies could be mollified by soft words and by rolling over and showing the Federation's soft, fuzzy belly.

The thing is, IMHO you have to be willing to allow conflict to happen on the Fed side, be it an external conflict with real consequences, an internal conflict in the crew, or a conflict between the Federation's stated values and actual needs or actual practice. Roddenberry's frequent unwillingness to allow this is why TNG became stale. And when VOY tried to copy TNG's formula...well...disaster ensued.
Voyager had a multitude of problems that we could sit and list all day and into the night, by the time it turned up Gene was long gone. The biggest problem I saw, was from the pilot episode on...well, that's crossing forum rules lines, I won't go there.

Suffice to say that Voyager had a lot of fundamental issues from the start.


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Very true. I tend to feel that Kahless, Worf, and perhaps the monks of Boreth are among the only ones who still comprehend honor. My opinion of the Klingons is about on par with Ezri's.
I have a suspicion that you may be somewhat right about the dichotomy between the ideal, and the actual-both for Starfleet AND the KDF.
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