Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 955
# 261
06-13-2013, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by elessym View Post
Nice strawman.

Fact: DStahl said that this holding would have significant impact on the problems small fleets are having progressing.

Fact: This holding does the exact opposite, putting small fleets further behind than they were.

We're not asking to progress 100 times faster. We're asking Cryptic to live up to their damn promises.
I wasn't talking about the new fleet holding or any promises, I was merely saying that more people will get more done, that's all.
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Ensign
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 11
# 262
06-13-2013, 08:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by elessym
Nice strawman.

Fact: DStahl said that this holding would have significant impact on the problems small fleets are having progressing.

Fact: This holding does the exact opposite, putting small fleets further behind than they were.

We're not asking to progress 100 times faster. We're asking Cryptic to live up to their damn promises.
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I dont see the sense in "send more dilithim to reduce your dilithium cost" ..

Last edited by duramin; 06-13-2013 at 08:44 AM.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 955
# 263
06-13-2013, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by duramin View Post
! <-

I dont see the sense in "send more dilithim to reduce your dilithium cost" ..
Well, it's not like the new holding does just decrease costs for other projects, there is other stuff too.
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Ensign
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 11
# 264
06-13-2013, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by qjunior View Post
I wasn't talking about the new fleet holding or any promises, I was merely saying that more people will get more done, that's all.
OK , but I was talking about the promises that we should get with the new holding. That you have anserwed to me gave me the idea you know at least WHY i try to find a different approach.

So, qjunior, you think this is fair as it is and should be left untouched?

Last edited by duramin; 06-13-2013 at 08:52 AM.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 955
# 265
06-13-2013, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by duramin View Post
OK , but I was talking about the promises that should be IN the new holding. That you have anserwed to me it gave me the idea you know at least WHY i try to find a different approach.

So, qjunior, you think this is fair as it is and should be left untouched?
It does reduce project costs..... so it helps anyone to some degree I guess. It probably doesn't help fleets much that have already done a lot.

I'm the Division Commander of my fleets Klingon Division and was quite interested in reduced costs, as most of my members are just "dust-collecting fed alts" atm. Too bad I have to come up with tons of resources to actually get a discount.
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Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,117
# 266
06-13-2013, 08:56 AM
I'm glad you changed the requirement on that military fleet commendation mission.

Will you also change the duty officer requirement on the experimental warp core mission. It's two antimatter specialist engineers cool. But it then shifts to science department for the last two but the job is STILL matter/antimatter engineer!
Yes I support This

"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
Ensign
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 11
# 267
06-13-2013, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by qjunior View Post
It does reduce project costs..... so it helps anyone to some degree I guess. It probably doesn't help fleets much that have already done a lot.

I'm the Division Commander of my fleets Klingon Division and was quite interested in reduced costs, as most of my members are just "dust-collecting fed alts" atm. Too bad I have to come up with tons of resources to actually get a discount.
so, at least you understand it and no, it doesnt help only the SMALL fleets, as this is for all fleets, and DStahl said that this holding would have significant impact on the problems small fleets are having progressing.

so yes, it HAS a significent impact: it makes things WORSE! to get the reduction you have to spend for the next..hm 1-2 years? mind: you have now to spread your ressources to 3 holdings..and that is no help in any way. for big fleets it is not interresting, no matter what kind of sinks they invent. they are only limited by the upgrade timer.

so this will help progressing? hum...... i've expected something different ... so, more ginding and farming will go one, no one have the time just to play..only "get some marks, get some dili, get some (insert your favorite here)". exactly THIS is the reason why i (and some others) have quited with another MMO some month ago after this one had a big update..., only daylies, grinding, reputation project..well, i think they patch the fun out of the game, and i would really like to have at least a bit of it back. and no: i dont need everything at once, but the costs of the projects are a that big mountain for small fleets that no one will realy start in getting it out of the way.. sure you CAN move Mt. Everest all on your own 10 miles south, but belive me, it is no fun at all (not that i have tried it..really no..look at a map, its still there where it belongs to be)

but no, no more ideas from me, i reduce it to the question:


DStahl: where exactly IS the promised help???? i don't see any, and so do all others i ask .


have fun

Last edited by duramin; 06-13-2013 at 09:41 AM.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 5,611
# 268
06-13-2013, 11:33 AM
There are 3 dilithium dailies involved with the Dilithium Mine. Most people don't get to the dilithium cap every day and if the rich dilithium mining daily is anywhere close to what Lockbox mining claims are, then the Dilithium Mine will pay for itself. There is only one problem with the Mine and that is that each project costs dilithium. Get rid of that requirement and raise the discount to 5% per tier and the Dilithium Mine will be the best Fleet Holding ever.

Besides there will at least be two more Fleet Holdings introduced after this since we still have Exploration, Espionage, Medical, and Colonial to do. All the discounts given through the Mine will impact every current and future fleet project. Less Fleet Marks, less duty officers, and less dilithium makes this Fleet Holding too attractive.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 146
# 269
06-13-2013, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by starkaos View Post
There is only one problem with the Mine and that is that each project costs dilithium. Get rid of that requirement and raise the discount to 5% per tier and the Dilithium Mine will be the best Fleet Holding ever.
I agree with this. Remove dilithium costs from projects and raise the discount slightly, and if the mining dailies are any good (2000-5000 dilithium per day) then it would actually live up to the promise of helping small fleets.
Captain
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 3,465
# 270
06-13-2013, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by starkaos View Post
Besides there will at least be two more Fleet Holdings introduced after this since we still have Exploration, Espionage, Medical, and Colonial to do. All the discounts given through the Mine will impact every current and future fleet project. Less Fleet Marks, less duty officers, and less dilithium makes this Fleet Holding too attractive.
Considering a fleet will need at minimum three additional fleet holdings priced comparably to the Embassy (and that's assuming you did the mine before doing a single project on your Starbase or Embassy) to simply break even on this mine...not so much.
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