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# 11
06-12-2013, 09:07 AM
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Speaking of a great reference... not THOOSE were great, canon-worthy games.
Yup, and I'll always hold thm in high regard.
And for atmosphere I'm afraid I'll measure all other Trek games against them.
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# 12
06-12-2013, 09:11 AM
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I've never understood this argument for canoninity. I'm not arguing that STO is canon, but being made by fans certainly isn't what determines this. If CBS made a new ST Series today, you can bet your life there'd be fans involved in it's production. Even on TNG, Whoopi was on the show because she was a fan of TOS.

And by that logic, the JJ movies ARE canon, because JJ isn't a ST fan?
CBS has the say on what is cannon and not CBS says <<part>> of JJ movies is cannon not the whole movies mainly the star trek countdown whoopi is a actress not a director not a writer and is not CBS did ya know commander riker was not a fan had not seen one EP before his debut on TNG?

and also last thing that had fans doing it star trek nemesis comes to mind
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# 13
06-12-2013, 09:16 AM
I've always seen canon as kind of an all-you-can-eat buffet. You got
-5 Live Action TV Shows
-12 Movies
-The Animated Series
-Books
-Comic Books
-Video Games
-Fan Fiction
-Fan Films
-RPGs
-etc

Each individual fan can pick and choose what they want. So if you want to consider STO canon, sure why not! If you don't want to acknowledge episode 5x04 of TNG but do want to acknowledge such and such comic book, go for it!

IDIC, right?
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# 14
06-12-2013, 09:17 AM
Gene Roddenberry was a Fan, Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek, ergo Star Trek is not canon.
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# 15
06-12-2013, 09:23 AM
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Gene Roddenberry was a Fan, Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek, ergo Star Trek is not canon.
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# 16
06-12-2013, 09:24 AM
It's not just canon it's Dual Heavy Canon

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# 17
06-12-2013, 09:25 AM
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Gene Roddenberry was a Fan, Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek, ergo Star Trek is not canon.

Illogical example. Because of the second part of that. He created it. The creator sets canon in every IP. Show one time a creator had zero input on what is canon. When you do, then your example would be logical.

If the creator isn't a fan, then the creator wouldn't create it in the first place. Again, flawed.


And STO is not canon and will never be canon. It draws from canon material but everything that is STO exclusive is not canon. And only people with delusions of grandeur even believe the characters they make for this game or the events in this game is actually hardcoded into Star Trek canon.
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# 18
06-12-2013, 09:25 AM
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Gene Roddenberry was a Fan, Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek, ergo Star Trek is not canon.
I see him more as the God of star trek next to Q then a fan
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# 19
06-12-2013, 09:27 AM
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Gene Roddenberry was a Fan, Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek, ergo Star Trek is not canon.::Mic Drop::
Fixed that for you.
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# 20
06-12-2013, 09:36 AM
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If the creator isn't a fan, then the creator wouldn't create it in the first place.
Plenty of people have created something just for the paycheck or other motivation than just cause they are a fan of what they've written/filmed. I read once that Thomas Harris wrote a novel he didn't particularly like (Hannibal Rising) mainly cause the movie studio that wanted to make the film threatened to have someone else do it.

Now I don't think that would apply in Gene's case, but still.
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