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Ok so we just had the Romulan spies in a lock-box - now it's time for those guys at Section 31 to show us what they have been working on.

Not much is known about the ships they use - but we do know that section 31 is fielding a new Sci/destroyer/escort hybrid - easily equal in strength to the Jem"hader attack ship.

Also because section 31 operates "outside" of both Federation control and law - as stated in DS9 - they have fitted their new stealth ships with a advanced "Phased Battle Cloak" as seen in TNG episode about the Pegasus. After 30 years of further development it's ready to go!

Will the Ferengi get there hands on some soon? Will they be selling section 31 consoles? Perhaps they even stole some Section 31 uniforms?

What rumors of the section 31 have you heard?(this is just a fun way to ask - what do you think about this as a lock-box)

(if you played the new KDF content you would know of the section 31 tie-in during the first few levels - it is therefore possible that the KDF got their hands on the same technology - and possibly the Romulans as well - and if you have not- perhaps now is a good time to roll a new KDF toon!)

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# 2
06-12-2013, 05:51 PM
Wouldn't work.

The reason we have Tal Shiar ships is because of the Romulans/KDF-aligned Romulans/Fed-aligned Romulans kicking Tal Shiar butt, eh?

Section 31? They seek to defend the Federation at any cost...including eliminating everybody else (sometimes even those within the Federation) out there.

Their vessels wouldn't be available via a lockbox. Perhaps somewhere down the line, another Winter/Summer Event, another Anniversary, etc, etc, etc...there could potentially be a Section 31/Klingon Intelligence pair of ships offered, eh?

Right now we've got the Tal Shiar box, then there'll be the Risian Corvette from the Summer Event, then we'll likely see another DOFF thing with the Tuffli/JHAS, another box rerun, and then we're probably getting close to S9 or so...focus on endgame, perhaps the Sela stuff...so I'd guess the next lockbox is either going to be Elachi or Hirogen...before we get into the Winter Event, repeating stuff, the Anniversary, repeating stuff, etc, etc, etc...will be interesting to see what they do with the boxes with the idea of dropping out certain factions as playable factions down the road.
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# 3
06-12-2013, 06:04 PM
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Wouldn't work.

The reason we have Tal Shiar ships is because of the Romulans/KDF-aligned Romulans/Fed-aligned Romulans kicking Tal Shiar butt, eh?

Section 31? They seek to defend the Federation at any cost...including eliminating everybody else (sometimes even those within the Federation) out there.

Their vessels wouldn't be available via a lockbox. Perhaps somewhere down the line, another Winter/Summer Event, another Anniversary, etc, etc, etc...there could potentially be a Section 31/Klingon Intelligence pair of ships offered, eh?

Right now we've got the Tal Shiar box, then there'll be the Risian Corvette from the Summer Event, then we'll likely see another DOFF thing with the Tuffli/JHAS, another box rerun, and then we're probably getting close to S9 or so...focus on endgame, perhaps the Sela stuff...so I'd guess the next lockbox is either going to be Elachi or Hirogen...before we get into the Winter Event, repeating stuff, the Anniversary, repeating stuff, etc, etc, etc...will be interesting to see what they do with the boxes with the idea of dropping out certain factions as playable factions down the road.
Section 31/Klingon Intelligence pair of ships - I think this is perfectly possible - if we can have timeships captured - from the guys who correct time!!! Then putting section 31/ KDF intelligence ships in a lock-box is wayyyy less of a suspend disbelief than that!!

Timeships are can't be stopped from being sold off - but section 31 ships can - yeah that would not be logical.

Even with all these things lock-boxes still come out about every 2 1/2 to 3 months - i think Fed and KDF players would love a new lock-box or anything that is not Romulan focased right now?

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# 4
06-12-2013, 06:11 PM
I have seen absolutely nothing about Section 31 having their own style of ships. They are more likely to take control of a current Starfleet vessel for a mission or modify a Starfleet vessel. The look of an Intrepid class ship and a Section 31 Intrepid class ship would look the same, but the inner workings would be different.

There is one main difference between Section 31 and the Tal Shiar. The Tal Shiar is like the CIA and NSA. Everyone knows they exist and kind of know what they do, but don't have an exact clue about their inner workings. Section 31 is like Majestic 12 where the only ones who believe it exist are Conspiracy Theorists and the people actually working for it. The rest of the people would have doubt as whether it actually exists. Giving Section 31 their own unique ships would defeat their entire purpose.
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# 5
06-12-2013, 06:12 PM
section 31....the Federations version of Danzou

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# 6
06-12-2013, 06:12 PM
I wouldnt mine having some section 31 lock boxes, but we would never get them cuz section 31 is to secretive to be releasing boxed items to us.

LOL, all i no is that section 31 is the C.I.A in the future

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# 7
06-12-2013, 06:28 PM
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I have seen absolutely nothing about Section 31 having their own style of ships. They are more likely to take control of a current Starfleet vessel for a mission or modify a Starfleet vessel. The look of an Intrepid class ship and a Section 31 Intrepid class ship would look the same, but the inner workings would be different.

There is one main difference between Section 31 and the Tal Shiar. The Tal Shiar is like the CIA and NSA. Everyone knows they exist and kind of know what they do, but don't have an exact clue about their inner workings. Section 31 is like Majestic 12 where the only ones who believe it exist are Conspiracy Theorists and the people actually working for it. The rest of the people would have doubt as whether it actually exists. Giving Section 31 their own unique ships would defeat their entire purpose.
I would not say they are not known too well - obviously may people in starfleet are involved with them. Adm Ross was doing their bidding as well as many other Starfleet adm - maybe even the head of starfleet.

I think they would want to advance to their own stealth ships rather than rely on starfleet. And it was shown seveal time in DS9 that the Section 31 operative Solan beamed on and off the station to nowhere that was detectable - a cloaked ship then? Also beaming off Romulus when he tried to escape - was it to a cloaked ship? If this is the case they were hardly using starfleet ships.

Playing the New KDF content and all the missions involving section 31's Drake made me think that it would be a great lock-box. P.S. Love the new KDF missions!
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# 8
06-12-2013, 06:31 PM
You know, if you listen to the last P1 podcast with Stahl...there's that whole CBS/Bad Robot thing that he talks about.

The following is a Section 31 ship: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Vengeance

Just saying... /cough
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# 9
06-12-2013, 06:39 PM
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You know, if you listen to the last P1 podcast with Stahl...there's that whole CBS/Bad Robot thing that he talks about.

The following is a Section 31 ship: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Vengeance

Just saying... /cough
Interesting. I wondered why have so much Section 31 involved in the new KDF content and not have more stuff put out - just think it would be a good tie-in for both the Fed side and KDF side given the new KDF missions.
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# 10
06-12-2013, 06:58 PM
An even worse idea then the atrocious Tal Shiar Lockbox/Lobi ships. Section 31 has never been shown using its own ships, nor has it ever been suggested in any episode, unlike the Tal Shiar which was at least shown to use its own ships in DS9.

S31 is much much more secretive, having their own ships and the facilities to build and mantain them, and the amount of personel involved would have exposed S31.
They are shown to maniuplate Starfleet into doing what they need done, both in DS9 and in STO. Franklin Drake wouldn't need to give you missions if he had his own forces he could send instead. Not only does S31 have no ships, their manpower is extremely limited, since its the only way to keep it secret, which is why Sloan often would have to use Bashir to do his grunt work. S31 is just like a more secretive version of the CIA, they just stick to intelligence, they don't also have the role the Tal Shiar also has of keeping the military and population controlled.

The Tal Shiar however is much more like the Soviet KGB, they don't want to completley hide their existence, since they need to be feared to control society and to control the military. They have no problem having their own fleet of ships, just as the KGB had its own ground forces.

I think using existing ships that can't be a part of any faction is better, like how they did with the Galor or D'Kora. A Breen ship or a Hirogen ship could be a possiblity.
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