Lt. Commander
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# 541
04-19-2010, 02:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bundler
totally our fault, i see now that you are completely right... i should just turn this rig into a planter and play OTHELLO or SCRABBLE.. of course im such a moron i would probably overheat my board game due to playing in a poorly ventilated area, right?
So... have you troubleshot yet with FurMark? Or is your pride too mighty to stoop that low? If so, what are you temps in that with what types of tests?
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# 542
04-19-2010, 02:28 PM
low-mid to high-mid system, 836 overall system performance with passmark. witht he only chuggin in the 3d test being on complex dx10 rendering, and even then, it wasnt to bad, i run my end game settings in the medium to complex range... which test results were 469 and 35. cpu rated 1396. ram at 478. disk at 488. 2d at 355.

i use speedfan as a controller/core temp monitor, and while playing sto, it jumps up in the 85-90 range, up from the 60-70 range... which isnt a lot in small doses, but for prolonged periods of time i risk irreparable damage to my hardware. the fact remains that Cryptic themselves have admitted to seeing an issue with performance on their end. and are working on a fix, so its a moot point really.

my system is by no means a monster, but it plays really well, on this game pre-patch and other games as well, so, pride aside... and using logic, it seems to me that it's on their end.... which again... they have admitted to...

i have made no changes since my first post and am running , currently... right this very moment, sitting in btran, at 84. on an stf i could light a smoke of this thing.

but again... i guess its my pride and crappy system, keeping me from really truely enjoying the game in the same manner as all the other uber elite techno genius types out there... i should just get a tandy and play tetris.
Lt. Commander
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# 543
04-19-2010, 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bundler
...it jumps up in the 85-90 range, up from the 60-70 range... which isnt a lot in small doses, but for prolonged periods of time i risk irreparable damage to my hardware.
Oh brudda. Sorry but I gotta call bullcrap. Maximum operating temperature for an 8800 GT is 105 C, for example. The fan should prevent you from reaching that point unless you're one of the dummies that force the fan to run at a lower speed instead of leaving it on Auto. Further, there is throttling that would kick in to prevent any actual "irreparable damage" as you put it - the card would shut down. Stop spouting nonsense.

I gotta ask what other games you play and what temps your GPU hits on those.
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# 544
04-19-2010, 04:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by U.S.S.Krieger
Oh brudda. Sorry but I gotta call bullcrap. Maximum operating temperature for an 8800 GT is 105 C, for example. The fan should prevent you from reaching that point unless you're one of the dummies that force the fan to run at a lower speed instead of leaving it on Auto. Further, there is throttling that would kick in to prevent any actual "irreparable damage" as you put it - the card would shut down. Stop spouting nonsense.

I gotta ask what other games you play and what temps your GPU hits on those.

call bull crap if you gotta, max temp or not, shelf life for any hardware is reached faster if it runs at hotter temps. irreparable damage would be that exactly. if the card meets/exceeds it's irreparable. not a breakdown/burnout, you misunderstand. im talking about my card not lasting as long as it should.

my fans are on auto.

i play wow, max settings ( with shadows turned down about halfway to 3/4 ) and it runs at about 65.

global agenda max settings at an average of 69.

SWG on 3/4 of max settings and it runs about 65-70

it idles at about 45

again i think the point is completey missed, and people are just being a bit elitist. the point is what my system is or isnt, or what cooling i do or dont have... so this is the last time i will say this and im signing off of this thread...

Before the patch... my GPU ran at about 60-70 .. after the patch... and changing no in game settings... i have a significant increase in running temp for my GPU, which means something has change on game side ( which they have said/noted) IF I MADE NO CHANGE AND THIS IS HAPPENING THEN IT MUST NOT BE ME.

im serious... how hard is that to understand. reading comprehension... go get some.

ps this is exactly why i stayed away from forums in the first place, but i was excited enough about the game ot try it out, but i see now that things havent changed in the forum world, and people are still out there to be bullies/elitists/epeen waggers/flamer/trolls/jerks/*******

good day
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# 545
04-19-2010, 06:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bundler
IF I MADE NO CHANGE AND THIS IS HAPPENING THEN IT MUST NOT BE ME.
It is you who's not understanding me. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. Your GPU is not going to die or wear out sooner unless you are constantly at max temp. You are the kind of guy that buys a Maserati but is afraid to rev the engine past 5000. If that makes me an elitist, I can live with that.

As for your games, that's what I thought; no modern FPS that really tax a GPU. Try running Crysis at max settings.

From my (apparently elitist) observations, the MMO crowd that don't play "real" games get freaked out when they come across one that makes their fans spin faster. Hence all the histrionics.

You can overreact all you want, just don't spout misinformation. Peace.
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# 546
04-19-2010, 06:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bundler
call bull crap if you gotta, max temp or not, shelf life for any hardware is reached faster if it runs at hotter temps. irreparable damage would be that exactly. if the card meets/exceeds it's irreparable. not a breakdown/burnout, you misunderstand. im talking about my card not lasting as long as it should.

my fans are on auto.

i play wow, max settings ( with shadows turned down about halfway to 3/4 ) and it runs at about 65.

global agenda max settings at an average of 69.

SWG on 3/4 of max settings and it runs about 65-70

it idles at about 45

again i think the point is completey missed, and people are just being a bit elitist. the point is what my system is or isnt, or what cooling i do or dont have... so this is the last time i will say this and im signing off of this thread...

Before the patch... my GPU ran at about 60-70 .. after the patch... and changing no in game settings... i have a significant increase in running temp for my GPU, which means something has change on game side ( which they have said/noted) IF I MADE NO CHANGE AND THIS IS HAPPENING THEN IT MUST NOT BE ME.

im serious... how hard is that to understand. reading comprehension... go get some.

ps this is exactly why i stayed away from forums in the first place, but i was excited enough about the game ot try it out, but i see now that things havent changed in the forum world, and people are still out there to be bullies/elitists/epeen waggers/flamer/trolls/jerks/*******

good day
Boy... I take a few days off of the forums and game to relax a bit and look at what happens...

Dude... you may have the most AWESOME computer ever but, believe me, it does not make you a tech expert. Some of the stupidest computer people I know have equipment I wouldn't allow them within a mile of it if I had any say in it.

Let me say this... the game does not control your computer settings! The game tells you computer what to do in regard to certain input and then YOUR COMPUTER does it. Being displaying video, sending network data etc. It's usually a problem with your hardware, drivers that can't handle what the game has to offer. When I tried an upgraded video card in my system and immediately got lag, I didn't assume it was the game's fault, I KNEW it was the card. Have you tried using a different card for whatever problems you are having?

And as to stating the obvious for ventilation problems... you have to start with the most obvious and work you way up from there. People are morons when it comes to computer and maintaining them. They assume they work by magic and don't realize how much science is put even into their CONSTRUCTION much less how they work.

If you can't figure it out and you won't work with us in a civilized way, take you computer to a computer repair shop and have them try a few things to resolve the issue.

Also, at the risk of sounding rude, stop downloading porn onto your computer... it messes you and your computer up... I also hear it makes you blind, deaf and dumb and I think you have the last one covered.
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# 547
04-19-2010, 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bundler
ps this is exactly why i stayed away from forums in the first place, but i was excited enough about the game ot try it out, but i see now that things havent changed in the forum world, and people are still out there to be bullies/elitists/epeen waggers/flamer/trolls/jerks/*******
Who's calling who what?...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bundler
it's totally our fault that WHEN WE STARTED PLAYING THIS GAME IT WAS FINE, and now with NO SETTINGS CHANGED on our end, and after A MAJOR PATCH came down the pipe, playing THE SAME GAME, our systems ARE BEING MODERATELY/MAJORLY affected.


totally our fault, i see now that you are completely right... i should just turn this rig into a planter and play OTHELLO or SCRABBLE.. of course im such a moron i would probably overheat my board game due to playing in a poorly ventilated area, right?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bundler
but again... i guess its my pride and crappy system, keeping me from really truely enjoying the game in the same manner as all the other uber elite techno genius types out there... i should just get a tandy and play tetris.


....

Save the insults and sarcasn for WoW forums, please.

...

Back to your PC...

You mentioned a lot of things, but you didn't once state that you downloaded, installed, and ran Furmark. Until you troubleshoot by running a Furmark test and recording temps, you have no right to blame STO for your overheating issues. Do that first, then come back if you only overheat in STO and not Furmark.
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# 548
04-21-2010, 07:45 AM
Save the insults sure...

Look, the guy makes sense. I understand the whole dust argument, and if he was talking about a gradual change, I would be agreeing with you, but he is not! He's talking about an OVERNIGHT CHANGE! DUST DOES NOT DO THAT DUE TO THE TIME NEEDED TO BUILD UP.

Also, worth noting, I'll back his heat findings as using Nvidia's monitoring software, I've noticed this game runs a good 10 degrees higher on STO then on Dawn of War 2 OR Borderlands... both of which seem to max out around 60-65. The card idles at 55 or so... and before you ask, it's a PNY Verto GeForce 9800 (power efficient edition) with 1 GB VRAM using the drivers Nvidia rolled back to to fix their own heat fiasco.

Even if his card should handle the temp (and curiosity, do you know what the 9800 is supposed to handle?), that is quite the jump between titles.
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# 549
04-21-2010, 09:44 AM
I hate to bust your bubble but system performance due to dust/dirt/etc usually doesn't become evident until the accumulation gets to the point where it is effecting your system.

I've read over his posts and I don't see any good info on his system. Is it a laptop or a desktop? If it's a laptop, where is the laptop resting while you are playing?


We're not saying that the game isn't causing the issue. It's possible that it is. But to come on here and I quote

Quote:
yea, it so sad when we do everything the same, cleaning, cooling, putting in well ventilated areas, maintaining hardware and drivers... and yet somehow our dumb brains can't seem to do anything right...

this is a joke.

it's totally our fault that WHEN WE STARTED PLAYING THIS GAME IT WAS FINE, and now with NO SETTINGS CHANGED on our end, and after A MAJOR PATCH came down the pipe, playing THE SAME GAME, our systems ARE BEING MODERATELY/MAJORLY affected.

totally our fault, i see now that you are completely right... i should just turn this rig into a planter and play OTHELLO or SCRABBLE.. of course im such a moron i would probably overheat my board game due to playing in a poorly ventilated area, right?
He came on here and right away began by being sarcastic when he does not realize that the things about thermal issues we had said so far WERE ACTUALLY THE CAUSE OF THE THERMAL ISSUES FOR SEVERAL PEOPLE. We did not say for everyone, but it is the case for some people.

He brought this argument/drama on himself.
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# 550
04-21-2010, 09:53 AM
no... the drama has been going on LONG before this post. He's probably just sick of hearing the same (appearantly useless) thing over and over and over again. I know I've gotten snippy many times for just such a thing. And will again due to the attitude around here that tends to go with it.

And yes, the dust doesnt get taken care of until it's noticed/bothers the user normally.... BUT such sudden notice tends to come with iether installing an old game you used to love, OR some new game on it's first day.... I find it hard to believe he went from no noticable issues to crashing because of dust in 24 hours.
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