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# 1 Problems with the trait system
06-16-2013, 05:00 PM
Many problems with the trait system were discovered on Tribble before "Legacy of Romulus" went live on Holodeck. As far as I know, these problems have still not been fixed. I would like to respec my traits, but I don't want to spec into a broken trait. It is very hard right now to know what is working and what is not.

Leadership trait broken:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=630351
Fix in the Tribble patch on July 16, 2013

Creative trait broken:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...&postcount=285

"Sure Footed" broken:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...&postcount=200

EPS Manifold Efficiency doesn't stack:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=643481

Problems with trait descriptions:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...&postcount=285
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...&postcount=289
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=619611
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=630611

Last edited by frtoaster; 07-16-2013 at 09:26 PM.
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# 2
06-23-2013, 03:05 AM
Yup the Leadership trait is broken... now my 5 human boffs are useless

Hope this gets fixed soon!
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# 3
07-08-2013, 02:18 PM
According to the following post, the trait "Sure Footed" does not grant immunity to knockback while the player is crouching:

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...&postcount=200
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# 4
07-08-2013, 02:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by frtoaster View Post
EPS Manifold Efficiency doesn't stack:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=643481
There's an additional issue with EPS that...goes the other way, so to speak. It does stack, every other time.

Here's a quick example from one of my guys who DCE's his EPtX.

EPtX1: +10 All Subsystem Power
TCD expires, EPtY1: +10 All Subsystem Power - stacks with the previous +10 for +20 from Manifold
TCD expires, EPtX1: +10 All Subsystem Power (just the +10 this time)
TCD expires, EPtY1: +10 All Subsystem Power - stacks with the previous +10 for +20 from Manifold

The +20 lasts the full duration. Not sure if it is actually applying +20 or if it is extending the duration of the first +10.
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# 5
07-09-2013, 05:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
There's an additional issue with EPS that...goes the other way, so to speak. It does stack, every other time.

Here's a quick example from one of my guys who DCE's his EPtX.

EPtX1: +10 All Subsystem Power
TCD expires, EPtY1: +10 All Subsystem Power - stacks with the previous +10 for +20 from Manifold
TCD expires, EPtX1: +10 All Subsystem Power (just the +10 this time)
TCD expires, EPtY1: +10 All Subsystem Power - stacks with the previous +10 for +20 from Manifold

The +20 lasts the full duration. Not sure if it is actually applying +20 or if it is extending the duration of the first +10.
What is TCD?

So the bonus granted upon activation of an "Emergency Power" stacks with itself, but not with the bonus granted upon activation of a battery? Do you have more than 3 bars in Starship Batteries? Otherwise, how are you seeing the overlap?
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# 6
07-09-2013, 05:51 PM
DCE=Damage control engineer (doff) ??
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# 7
07-16-2013, 04:54 PM
From the Tribble patch notes on July 16, 2013:

Quote:
Originally Posted by salamiinferno View Post
  • Leadership:
    • Multiple copies of this power no longer replace each others' buffs, allowing players to benefit from both their own copy of Leadership as well as from Bridge Officers' copies of Leadership.
It seems that leadership now stacks and correctly grants its subsystem repair bonus.
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# 8
07-16-2013, 05:18 PM
Doh, somehow I missed both of these.

Quote:
Originally Posted by frtoaster View Post
What is TCD?

So the bonus granted upon activation of an "Emergency Power" stacks with itself, but not with the bonus granted upon activation of a battery? Do you have more than 3 bars in Starship Batteries? Otherwise, how are you seeing the overlap?
I use TCD for Triggered Cooldown as opposed just a CD or a GCD (Global).

I didn't try it with batteries, but yeah - the second application stacks with the first, but the third doesn't with the second - basically, the evens stack with the odds but the odds don't stack with the evens...as they're applied.

So I looked at one of guys I've seen this on...

3 levels Batteries (54 pts) Should be 15s on battery duration. I popped a battery, and although the battery displayed the 15s countdown - I'd say there was enough of a delay that it was actually over 15s. Which makes sense, looking at the tooltip for his EPtW/EPtS - where both show the duration for the EPS Manifold at 15.4s.

Watching the EPS Manifold buff and the CDs on the abilities...can see where the buff wears off just after the CD, then wears off just before the CD, then just after the CD.

Should mention this guy's also sporting 2pc MACO, so he's getting the 5% CD reduction. Normal CD for him then is 42.9s instead of 45s.

Also should mention, that it's no longer happening. Oh, it's bouncing up like it's going to stack every other one like before - but it's dropping back down almost instantly.

Here's an example of what it's doing now looking at Engine Power...

EPtS1: 58 -> 68
EPtW1: 68 -> 63 -> 73 -> 68
EPtS1: 68 -> 63 -> 68
EPtW1: 68 -> 63 -> 73 -> 68

Was more difficult to check on the AtB guy, but it's basically along the same lines for the Engine Power test - going from 50 to 60, dropping to 52, bouncing to 62, dropping to 60 again. So yeah, looks like that got resolved.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bareel View Post
DCE=Damage control engineer (doff) ??
Yep, when I say DCE's and stuff - I'm talking about the Damage Control Engineers (Emergency Power To X CD reduction) guys. I normally say DCE(EPtX) - hrmm, not sure why I didn't there.
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Last edited by virusdancer; 07-16-2013 at 05:27 PM.
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# 9
07-16-2013, 09:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
3 levels Batteries (54 pts) Should be 15s on battery duration. I popped a battery, and although the battery displayed the 15s countdown - I'd say there was enough of a delay that it was actually over 15s. Which makes sense, looking at the tooltip for his EPtW/EPtS - where both show the duration for the EPS Manifold at 15.4s.

Watching the EPS Manifold buff and the CDs on the abilities...can see where the buff wears off just after the CD, then wears off just before the CD, then just after the CD.

Should mention this guy's also sporting 2pc MACO, so he's getting the 5% CD reduction. Normal CD for him then is 42.9s instead of 45s.

Also should mention, that it's no longer happening. Oh, it's bouncing up like it's going to stack every other one like before - but it's dropping back down almost instantly.
I'm guessing that 3 bars in Starship Batteries with the MACO 2-piece bonus gives you a slight overlap.

So they fixed the bug? I wonder what else is missing from the patch notes.
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