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# 141
06-21-2013, 04:53 PM
Was really liking the majority of the posts until the "this is not an appropriate place for such things" people showed up.

No one is forcing you to go. You don't even have to be in the same freaking zone. This was a blog discussing the evolution of diversity and acceptance and you decided it come here to make a counter argument that amounts to little more than "how dare you bring such talk here!?"

The blog talked about the first interracial kiss on TV, your predecessors probably wrote tons of letters to the airing stations and network saying pretty much the same thing.

Cryptic wanted to show that they support equality and chose to use their product (STO), which just happens to be based on the whole theory of diverse groups working together, to send out their message.

Nothing bad is going to come from this blog or the event it talked about.
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# 142
06-21-2013, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by khamseenair View Post
Actually, I do support the expression of pride in anybodies identity. What I have a problem with is when people express their hate for other groups of people. Taking pride in who you are is not the same thing.

I suppress nobody by expressing my comfort with who I am and what my sexuality is so that is totally acceptable. If somebody wanted to celebrate Latino pride day, then by all means go ahead, so long as they don't turn it into a "Latino's are better than every other person" day, because that's not the same thing at all. Be proud of who you are, without belittling who other people are.

But see, there is the rub. Many by the definition you give say it is impossible to have a Latino Pride, African Pride, White Pride, Straight Pride, Female Pride, Male Pride discussion or display because by the definition expression of pride in these things belittles another group that was oppressed or wronged by some of these other groups. You say you are open to it but they rarely if ever occur because the fringe beliefs by a small segment destroy it and prevent it from occuring as it taints the vast majority. We see it in this thread as many who are expressing uncomfortableness or opposition with this event are being painted as bigots or hatemongers regardless of our actual viewpoint. In reality, there is no openness to these viewpoints because they are seen as hostile, therefore only the politically acceptable viewpoints such as the gay, transgender, transsexual, lesbian, pride type organizations are able to publically hold these events.
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# 143
06-21-2013, 05:02 PM
You know why it's in your face as some like to say...becasue when you suppress something it's going to to come back, when you push a group of people down, they are going to push back, and push harder and harder, and they are going to throw it in your face becasue that's what you create when you try to silence them, and demonize them.


as for people saying Hetero day....everyday is Hetero day
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# 144
06-21-2013, 05:04 PM
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Agreed. No need to drag things like this into a game that is basically just about blowing stuff up. I'd rather have a videogame forum be devoid of politics, sexual preferences, religion or any other of those things.
I couldn't agree more. This issue of gender preference is just inappropriate for a game that does not address any such issue or include it as a mechanic of gameplay. I'm all for being anything you want to be. What I am not for is needlessly inciting argument where the subject is not even applicable.

A game developer allowing someone to further an unrelated socio-political agenda on their front page looks extremely unprofessional.
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# 145
06-21-2013, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by neoakiraii View Post
You know why it's in your face as some like to say...becasue when you suppress something it's going to to come back, when you push a group of people down, they are going to push back, and push harder and harder, and they are going to throw it in your face becasue that's what you create when you try to silence them, and demonize them.
What group?
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# 146
06-21-2013, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by rbatalla1977 View Post
To me this whole thing seems like a reaction from Cryptic/PWE for the backlash of choosing Towelliee for last week's giveaway event. Instead of saying "Oh we love diversity", to me it came out "sorry we put a gay hater last week, how about some pro LGBT guys this week".
You are making a lot of sense.
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# 147
06-21-2013, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by game5pock View Post
Case in point. You see my objection and automatically label me a hateful, discriminating bigot and therefore, I shouldn't be allowed to voice said objection. Do not paint me with your brush.

I will speak for myself, thank you.
I was basing my assertion on the fact you said you couldn't discuss it. When in fact, you can discuss it so long as you don't do or say any of the things that violate the terms of use for the forums. That's not me labelling you, I don't know you from Adam. That's me making a logical deduction from the facts available to me.

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Originally Posted by daedalus27 View Post
But see, there is the rub. Many by the definition you give say it is impossible to have a Latino Pride, African Pride, White Pride, Straight Pride, Female Pride, Male Pride discussion or display because by the definition expression of pride in these things belittles another group that was oppressed or wronged by some of these other groups. You say you are open to it but they rarely if ever occur because the fringe beliefs by a small segment destroy it and prevent it from occuring as it taints the vast majority. We see it in this thread as many who are expressing uncomfortableness or opposition with this event are being painted as bigots or hatemongers regardless of our actual viewpoint. In reality, there is no openness to these viewpoints because they are seen as hostile, therefore only the politically acceptable viewpoints such as the gay, transgender, transsexual, lesbian, pride type organizations are able to publically hold these events.
To be fair, the minority groups tend to be the ones to celebrate, because they are the ones who have been oppressed in the past (and often still are in the present). There is a "Woman's Day", which is celebrated by millions across the globe each year, TV stations, Websites, communities all take part in this day. That doesn't mean they are saying that women are better than men, they are doing it to remember that women were not always treated as equals to men and that they still aren't in many places around the world. I doubt if PWE decided to post an article or event related to Woman's Day, the responses would have been anything but positive.

When we are all treated and accepted as equals across the world, perhaps then the 'majority' groups would be able to celebrate their own identities without the prejudice associated with it currently.
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# 148
06-21-2013, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by whiteonmyoji View Post
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Ok, the USS Mother Monster is just awesome. Bug ship? My recognition skills are pretty sub-par so I am probably wrong .

If I didn't think it'd get me reported I'd probably make a ship called the Gay Agenda after reading the rest of this thread though . Have to use rainbow BFAW spam though.
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# 149
06-21-2013, 05:50 PM
Can we use a rainbow boat during this event?
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# 150
06-21-2013, 06:09 PM
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Can we use a rainbow boat during this event?
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