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# 61
07-12-2013, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by gojored View Post
ya know, i really really wish that if it HAD to be nerfed, they could do it in respect to pvp only. i am so very sick of one shot invisitorps or invisibolts of particle fury that kill several ships in one shot, that i would love to give some back via this web mine weapon. please consider that option if it has to be nerfed, or at least give a player an easier way to pop the webmine op bubble in pvp only?

i know...no use i guess, it will prolly be de-balled fast enough, but i had to speak up for pve-ers, i dont even mess with pvp.
This. Nerfing useful PVE items because the PVP min-maxers are abusing it is lame; what they do in PVP is no longer my problem, since I stopped doing PVP after I got bored with it about a year ago.
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# 62
07-12-2013, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by snoge00f View Post
lol if they said that, they were probably saying it out of ignorance not malice.

And whether or not anyone said anything, doesn't mean Cryptic can't fix the imbalance.

The point stands though, these mines are too good for how little you give up to get and use them.
This sums it up perfectley, these mines do almost everything that all other mines do, they disable, damage through shields, do high spike damage, apply a hold, and are harder to detect. Why even use other mines anymore, this just made them and any builds using other mines all obsolete.

When both other reps came out there were a few things there too that were inbalanced, the t4 omega shield heal and t4 romulan placate. Now with Nukara rep the culprit is the Nukara Mines.

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Originally Posted by iskandus View Post
It is more likely that the DHC will be nerfed first before these mines.
Keep living in fantasy land, your days of abusing this for cheap kills you didn't earn are numbered. Might as well adapt and try other mines or builds out already.
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# 63
07-12-2013, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
This sums it up perfectley, these mines do almost everything that all other mines do, they disable, damage through shields, do high spike damage, apply a hold, and are harder to detect. Why even use other mines anymore, this just made them and any builds using other mines all obsolete.
why crafting/buying from exchange(which btw get more and more useless) or using your brain to know which engineering consoles to use when they are all in one in the dilithium fleet mine.Same for science consoles in the embassy and now mines .

so you have a game without pvp ,market (everything is bound to character) ,choice for builds ,roles for different classes (you can get damage spike with a sci escort)....lol mmo.This game/franchise would have been a gold mine and a real success in the right hands.
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# 64
07-12-2013, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by captainedna View Post
why crafting/buying from exchange(which btw get more and more useless) or using your brain to know which engineering consoles to use when they are all in one in the dilithium fleet mine.Same for science consoles in the embassy and now mines .

so you have a game without pvp ,market (everything is bound to character) ,choice for builds ,roles for different classes (you can get damage spike with a sci escort)....lol mmo.This game/franchise would have been a gold mine and a real success in the right hands.
You can't be exited about good loot drops anymore either because chances are you can get something better through rep, fleet or lockbox.

These mines take the cake though, they have rendered an entire category of weapons across every damage type obsolete, every single type of mine. Makes me mad since even though they never were as expensive as DHC, I have sets of mk xii purples of all types of mines and consoles that are useless comapared to Nukara mines.
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# 65
07-12-2013, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
You can't be exited about good loot drops anymore either because chances are you can get something better through rep, fleet or lockbox.
almost all rpg games use the looting system to keep and make people play/kill npcs .Borderlands ,Skyrim ,Bioshock (singleplayer games) ,Rift ,WoW ,swtor or any other mmo have loot to make people grind .They removed that from sto so if you pvp and dont like to grind pve you now really have no reason at all to do it.

Ok in other mmos theres a type of people who trade and pvp .They buy stuffs from pve'ers from market ,so let others grind for them ....cant do this anymore ,unless you want to equip keys on your ship.So yea ...lol mmo.

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These mines take the cake though, they have rendered an entire category of weapons across every damage type obsolete, every single type of mine. Makes me mad since even though they never were as expensive as DHC, I have sets of mk xii purples of all types of mines and consoles that are useless comapared to Nukara mines.
those mines make all mines useless .Embassy consoles make all (I cant think of good one now...maybe field gen) sci consoles useless.Dilithium fleet makes all engineering consoles useless.Waiting for the next thing for tac consoles.

if you ask someone why keeps killing his nervs with this game the answer will be "its the only star trek mmo with spaceships and real time space combat"
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# 66
07-13-2013, 06:08 AM
You still talking about this?

I said it before and i will say it again.

This is a PVE game.

A LOT more people run PVE than PVP.

No one actually cares about PVP except for:

A) A few elitists that live their lives on these forums hoping the devs will see some of their posts and magically give a **** about PVP. Which they really don't. If these people aren't nuking people with alpha strikes and DHC's they have the hypocritical audacity to instantly think something needs nerfing/balancing or something is being exploited. These people tend to drop what they think are cool one liners about being 'pro' a lot, ironically.

B) A smaller few elitists that try really hard to look cool and not to look like elitists but really they are just as bad. These people are usually almost immune to dying due to Aux2Bat engineer builds or crazy science shield tanking while pumping out various simultaneous damage types.

C) A very tiny minority of genuinely decent PVPers that get no recognition of what they say or suggest because of the 99% of other idiots that PVP. These people talk sense usually, which is promptly ignored to camouflage the fact that groups A and B might have to compromise for one of these ideas rather than a full nerf. So that then they can get back to alpha striking everyone unhindered.

50% of ALL of the above have some kind of signature berating some aspect of cryptic or PW as if it they are so cool and enlightened, yet they still play the game.



One fact i missed. I am none of these groups. Ill be honest, over time, i just simply dont like most of the players that make up groups A and B and what they stand for. They play the wrong game to be PVPers, yet they cant admit it and continue to flog a dead horse and attempt to bring about changes that affect PVE. Which for a minority group to achieve, is unfair on the majority. Fairly standard in today's world however. All this comes from them crying about a system for which there is no leaderboards, rank system, structured content, unique gear or tangible rewards. This in itself speaks wonders.

I know PVE is mostly easy, however most people still enjoy it and like to run it quicker and quicker as testament to their DPS either individually or as a fleet group. This makes them happy. If you as PVPers dont take enjoyment from this then as mentioned before you are in the wrong game. The fact is most of the PVE scenarios have been running now for almost as long as this game. If they aren't easy for experienced players, then something is tragically wrong. hence why we are all holding out for getting NEW ENDGAME PVE content in the next episode.

No mention at all of PVP. Funny that.

I am sure that most PVPers dont like me either after reading this or some of my other posts. Yes i will get flamed for this, but it doesn't make it any less true and deep down you all know it.

The best i can hope for is while all of group A are flaming me, and group B are trying to flame me but look really clever about it, they know but wont admit that i am right. And the rest of the people that read this will agree even perhaps, some of group C.
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# 67
07-16-2013, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by caldannach View Post
I am sure that most PVPers dont like me either after reading this or some of my other posts. Yes i will get flamed for this, but it doesn't make it any less true and deep down you all know it...
And the rest of the people that read this will agree even perhaps, some of group C.
I am a PvPer and I'm not mad at you. Does that make me group C?
You make a lot of valid points. I do not blame people for wanting STO PvP to be better, especially when it seems such an easy thing to do. And like you, I see too many groups A and B.
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# 68
07-16-2013, 09:25 AM
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# 69
07-16-2013, 09:39 AM
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This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~BranFlakes
Are you group A or B? Lol. I do not grasp your explicit analogy or how it applies to PvE. Who talks like that anyway?

Challenging PvE:
Have you ever played chessmaster?
Infected Ground Elite can be challenging...somewhat...but it is still fun to get the optional, and hopping on the platforms.
No win Scenario.
Mine trap...rescuing at least 100 people.
Cure ground Elite...solo the boss...not as a medic.
and more.

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# 70
07-16-2013, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by buccaneerdtb View Post
Are you group A or B? Lol. I do not grasp your explicit analogy or how it applies to PvE. Who talks like that anyway?

Challenging PvE:
Have you ever played chessmaster?
Infected Ground Elite can be challenging...somewhat...but it is still fun to get the optional, and hopping on the platforms.
No win Scenario.
Mine trap...rescuing at least 100 people.
Cure ground Elite...solo the boss...not as a medic.
and more.
I think you know as well as I do that's not what he meant.
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