Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 1 Premade cheese
06-23-2013, 04:06 PM
I just went against a premade (who shall remain unnamed, there's no point in naming and shaming) who used every sort of cheese possible.

I'm talking about:
  • 4 Sci Captains + 1 Tac
  • 4 Wells + 1 Bug
  • Tac + Disperal buffed Nukara Mines
  • Multiple Thetas
  • Multiple Temporal Inversion Fields
  • Multiple Graviton Gens (each at 25+ seconds)
  • Multiple AMS
  • Scramble with BOff
  • Tractor Beam Mines out the wazoo

It was just silly. If you need a full premade chock full of P2W to be any decent, you may need to re-think your strategy. Especially when it's not even a clean 15-0.

That's not fun for anyone.

EDIT: For clarification, this isn't a complaint against Scis or multiple Scis. It's about using P2W, and how that P2W is made exponentially better when you've got multiple Scis backing it. Running multiple Scis is a perfectly legitimate tactic... it's when you add P2W to it that makes it suck.

Sci is fine as it is... a little underpowered, actually, do the the horrid resists making a lot of things useless. I'm looking at you, Tachyon Beam and Tyken's Rift.
The first we heard of getting new PvP maps "soon" was in August of 2010. We're consistently told something will be coming with the "next" update. Absolutely nothing has come to PvP since launch.

I think it's finally time Cryptic stopped stringing us along, don't you?

Last edited by praxi5; 06-24-2013 at 05:44 PM.
Captain
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# 2
06-23-2013, 04:29 PM
4 scis cant be cheese or op...I mean its everywhere and official...tacs are op...you got it wrong ,its not sci ...nerf tacs QQ
Captain
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# 3
06-23-2013, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by captainedna View Post
4 scis cant be cheese or op...I mean its everywhere and official...tacs are op...you got it wrong ,its not sci ...nerf tacs QQ
It's poopy when you've got 10+ photonic fleet ships to deal with.
The first we heard of getting new PvP maps "soon" was in August of 2010. We're consistently told something will be coming with the "next" update. Absolutely nothing has come to PvP since launch.

I think it's finally time Cryptic stopped stringing us along, don't you?
Captain
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,497
# 4
06-23-2013, 05:12 PM
rpg trinity
designed for premade teams
designed for exploiting the mechanics

until the rpg mechanics are dropped this game, obviously targeting a casual audience, will never work.
the rpg trinity model was never designed for this environment, thus it cant cope.
If you like the RPG trinity, then you hate MMOs, you hate working, competitive fair PvP, you hate balanced engaging solo content,
and,
you hate PvE "adventure zones". because the trinity is incompatible with any of these.
Captain
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 590
# 5
06-23-2013, 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by praxi5 View Post
I just went against a premade (who shall remain unnamed, there's no point in naming and shaming) who used every sort of cheese possible.

I'm talking about:
  • 4 Sci Captains + 1 Tac
  • 4 Wells + 1 Bug
  • Tac + Disperal buffed Nukara Mines
  • Multiple Thetas
  • Multiple Temporal Inversion Fields
  • Multiple Graviton Gens (each at 25+ seconds)
  • Multiple AMS
  • Scramble with BOff

It was just silly. If you need a full premade chock full of P2W to be any decent, you may need to re-think your strategy. Especially when it's not even a clean 15-0.

That's not fun for anyone.
I think I was there as well. Pretty pathetic really. Wasnt fun at all.
(If not I faced them in the queue's tonight.)

I wasnt going to call the P2W jibe due to the fact Id pulled my temporal destroyer out of mothballs to try something out.
However, it wasnt a good fight at all, been like that for the past couple of days too with a lot of fleet teams using stuff that has been mentioned on the forums as being broken, bugged or just generally OP.

I hope they had a fun time looking for us though. The whole team left, I was the last one to go and was only waiting for death.

Last edited by seansamurai1; 06-23-2013 at 05:15 PM.
Survivor of Romulus
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Posts: 382
# 6
06-23-2013, 05:29 PM
Well I fear that is the the thing we get with any Premade group in the Queues. Since there is no Randomization, and your team may be fitted with any equipment. It is only common that people will find something that alone may not be very effective, but in large amounts is unbelievably effective. To be honest I am surprised a setup based on Gravity Well 3 and Tractor Beams has not surfaced yet. If it has, that has to be a nightmare. Lets say 4 players all throw a Gravity Well 3 on one player, 1 player throws his out on the rest of them. That one player if Sub Nuced will now be stuck in 4 stacked Gravity Wells. If they had Duty Officers to enhance that... then hes stuck for a very long time taking unreal damage.

Cheese is a Premade thing.

RIP Pugs
Captain
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Posts: 620
# 7
06-23-2013, 05:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by praxi5 View Post
It's poopy when you've got 10+ photonic fleet ships to deal with.
I dont know if its from photonic fleet thing or from normal fleet support but sometimes theres a galaxy X npc useless but damn resistent.3 escorts spent almost a minute to pop the damn thing ...it was like mirror event in arena lol
Captain
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Posts: 2,497
# 8
06-23-2013, 05:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vegie0 View Post
To be honest I am surprised a setup based on Gravity Well 3 and Tractor Beams has not surfaced yet. If it has, that has to be a nightmare. Lets say 4 players all throw a Gravity Well 3 on one player, 1 player throws his out on the rest of them. That one player if Sub Nuced will now be stuck in 4 stacked Gravity Wells. If they had Duty Officers to enhance that... then hes stuck for a very long time taking unreal damage.

Cheese is a Premade thing.

RIP Pugs
occasionally people die in pvp.
however, minus the the nuke and one apO counters ALL OF THAT.
If you like the RPG trinity, then you hate MMOs, you hate working, competitive fair PvP, you hate balanced engaging solo content,
and,
you hate PvE "adventure zones". because the trinity is incompatible with any of these.
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 382
# 9
06-23-2013, 05:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by skollulfr View Post
occasionally people die in pvp.
however, minus the the nuke and one apO counters ALL OF THAT.
Not really saying that Scenario is the best, but more or less making a point. One Gwell is bad, 4 is harsh. 12 spammed by doffs is just OMG... Now as for my point if it wasn't clear, is that Cheese is native to queues, and in perticular to Premades.
Captain
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 2,162
# 10
06-23-2013, 05:58 PM
Please this better not turn into a NERF SCI again thread!!

Sci has been nerfed hard over the last 2 years - only now is it starting to come back.

Figures it would piss off tac players.
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