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# 461
02-15-2010, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris-Papa
Hey all, just wanted to give my 2 cents worth.

I have a Nalhalem Quad Core Mac Pro with the ATI card (pretty high spec) running OSX 10.5.8 . The wrapper runs perfectly (copied from my original windoze version) except for the graphics quality which is generally very bad.

When i mean bad, I mean its simply isnt pretty. Its basically using the lowest graphical settings available, its playable and everything else works just fine. Its just the quality that gets me.

Is everyone experiencing this? Or just me? I mean i know its to be expected, but I justed to give my input

Thank you soo much for the wrapper, its fantastic!

Chris

U.S.S. Papa

maybe check your graphics settings? There are a few options, mainly AA, which don't work, but my graphics look very close to the same as they do running natively in Windows.... make sure your "half resolution" isn't turned on either.... mine is running good at far above lowest possible graphic settings.
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# 462
02-16-2010, 05:31 PM
doh123: No problems just a question about the implementation on the Mac:

Is there a setting that allows the app-switcher function to be utilized (Apple-Tab)? Right now, you have to quit in order to use OS X apps. Or is that just a function of windowing? Can I make it so that STO doesn't make a blackout screen of everything (meaning, leaving OS X menubar exposed)?

Also, the menus at top of the launcher (ACCOUNT FORUMS etc. other than OPTIONS) don't work? Is that a limitation of Wineskin or because we don't run IE anymore?

Just to reinterate, this unofficial method works very well (once I understood it!) and can't imagine any company needing to spend countless $$$ and development time in the future porting a Win game over to Mac!

now, I just need to find some easy tips/hints/tricks to bulk up my ship... I'm getting pummeled in space on my first mission out of space dock out of the Sol system!

Stay Rad!
Dr. Theopolis
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# 463
02-16-2010, 08:39 PM
It works fine for me on new MacBookPro OS 10.6.2, 4Gb RAM, 2.53 GHz speed. Only place that I found my graphics slows down is SolarWind PvP zone. Also there was something funny about switching between Window/Fullscreen, sometimes it crashes game and sometimes crashes Wineskin.

By any account, you done awesome job, i can note down steps to reproduce if anyone care to look into fixing it.

If there is a way to switch between Wineskin and MacOS it would be awesome cause it seems all of us doing our research on internet
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# 464
02-16-2010, 10:31 PM
Just popping in to say that Star Trek Online works on my four year old iMac. It's running version 10.5.8 of the OS, a 2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, ATI Radeon X1600 graphics card and 1 GB of memory. It runs pretty smooth (with the exception of a battle occurring in a nebula) but even at the highest settings it will allow me, it definitely doesn't look as good as some of the screenshots I've seen. The starships don't even emit ANY lights for me. If light is being shone on one side of the ship, the other side will be completely black with no lights whatsoever. I'm not sure if it can be fixed or not, but I'm not too worried about it right now. It's a fun game so I'll probably be playing for quite a while, in which time I'm sure to get a new computer.

I just wanted to say how much I appreciate this program. I've been bummed for quite a while that I couldn't play because I don't have a Windows PC. But when I heard how much fun the game was from people, I considered buying Windows 7 and using Bootcamp to play the game, but with your program I only had to pay for the game and the subscription. So thanks, as well, for letting me take it easy on my wallet.
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# 465
02-17-2010, 03:56 AM
Quote:
maybe check your graphics settings? There are a few options, mainly AA, which don't work, but my graphics look very close to the same as they do running natively in Windows.... make sure your "half resolution" isn't turned on either.... mine is running good at far above lowest possible graphic settings.
I am aware of the AA not working.
I basically get an error message that my graphics card isnt supported and that I should run the lower settings or the same settings. Both give me the same result. I am unable to select any higher quality setting via the setting menu in game.

I will post some screen shots tonight to better explain. Maybe that will clear things up.
Still I am happy that I have at least something on OSX to quickly jump in for a quick round.

Chris

P.S.
My graphics problems sound similar to kjb0812's above...
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# 466
02-17-2010, 05:35 AM
Apologies for the Wall of Text!

Just noting some testing results on my iMac (3.06 C2D w/8800 GS). Note that everything is running in space, only the spacedock type environments don't play nice. Using the beta 4, with a fresh copy of STO copied over from Bootcamp.


(at this point, video quality are at high settings. My character is at Earth Spacedock)
- Set UseGLSL to "enabled"
- Run STO
-> Logs in fine, then gets to the third loading screen (past the Cryptic and Atari logos, to the Starfleet logo with 'Loading' underneath). Crashes at this point.
==
- Set UseGLSL to "disabled" (video still at high settings)
- Run STO
-> Logs in fine, loads fine to character selection. Character selects, and the Earth Spacedock loading screen is displayed. Loading bar goes most (all?) of the way over, then STO crashes.
==
- Set all video quality details to lowest possible settings.
- Run STO
-> Same as above. Character selects, Earth Spacedock loading screen displays. Load bar goes across, then crash.
==
- Set UseGLSL back to "enabled" (video quality remains at lowest possible settings)
- Run STO
-> Eureka! Loads, character selects, and spacedock loads!
(note at this point: I have been expose-ing back to safari to type this. When I switched back to STO, it had crashed. The next test will be to see how long STO stays running for without switching back and forth).
==
No good - 2 attempts to load and stay in-game result in quick crashes. The first attempt crashed on the spacedock loading screen; the second attempt crashed immediately after spacedock loaded.
==
Next test - into the Troubleshooting section of the Video config settings. Everything in there gets turned off, and the framerate is limited to 30fps.
- Run STO
-> No good. Loading Spacedock, then crash on the loading screen.


Hopefully this stuff helps someone! Beyond the occasional glimpse of Spacedock, I haven't been able to make a lot of progress
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# 467
02-17-2010, 07:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris-Papa
I am aware of the AA not working.
I basically get an error message that my graphics card isnt supported and that I should run the lower settings or the same settings. Both give me the same result. I am unable to select any higher quality setting via the setting menu in game.

I will post some screen shots tonight to better explain. Maybe that will clear things up.
Still I am happy that I have at least something on OSX to quickly jump in for a quick round.

Chris

P.S.
My graphics problems sound similar to kjb0812's above...
I've got the same issue than him
AN error message saying my graphic card is unsupported. and then having bad graphics.

On Windows, I have the same error message but the graphics are better.

My graphic card is an ATI Radeon 4850 HD, by the way it may be linked with the fact that ATI did not get any driver out for Mac since 2007...could it be?
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# 468
02-17-2010, 08:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DocTheop
doh123: No problems just a question about the implementation on the Mac:

Is there a setting that allows the app-switcher function to be utilized (Apple-Tab)? Right now, you have to quit in order to use OS X apps. Or is that just a function of windowing? Can I make it so that STO doesn't make a blackout screen of everything (meaning, leaving OS X menubar exposed)?

Also, the menus at top of the launcher (ACCOUNT FORUMS etc. other than OPTIONS) don't work? Is that a limitation of Wineskin or because we don't run IE anymore?

Just to reinterate, this unofficial method works very well (once I understood it!) and can't imagine any company needing to spend countless $$$ and development time in the future porting a Win game over to Mac!

now, I just need to find some easy tips/hints/tricks to bulk up my ship... I'm getting pummeled in space on my first mission out of space dock out of the Sol system!

Stay Rad!
Dr. Theopolis
Doc, I love the name, be-be-be, but I think you need to slow down and read doh123's directions.pdf file that came with the wrapper if you want to run with STO as a regular apple+tab app, i.e. wineskin in windowed mode:

How to run in a window
Xquartz doesn't support fullscreen and windowing mode switches... if you would like to
run in a window, you need to change options in WineskinSettings.app, under screen
options.
Change it to Windowed instead of Fullscreen, and select the desired resolution of the
virtual desktop window that STO will be running inside of.
Always leave STO set to run in fullscreen and let Wineskin handle the windowing for
best results. STO can and will resize this virtual desktop via the in game resolution
settings. If you set STO to run in a window, and Wineskin to run fullscreen, youʼll just
end up with a window of STO on a black fullscreen background.

If you want to leave STO in full screen but still get to your other apps without quitting, try her directions from her original post at the top of the thread:

How do I multitask in fullscreen?
You can hide STO with the normal Hide shortcut while its running... CMD+H and get back to your desktop.
Be warned though that if you had STO running at a different resolution than the one you normally run, you'll still be in that resolution.

BTW, CMD+H = apple+H, take care, bro.
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# 469
02-17-2010, 10:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DocTheop
Is there a setting that allows the app-switcher function to be utilized (Apple-Tab)?

Also, the menus at top of the launcher (ACCOUNT FORUMS etc. other than OPTIONS) don't work? Is that a limitation of Wineskin or because we don't run IE anymore?
Itried switching Hide to CMD+Tab in Xquartz and it had issues with the game keys. Leaving it on CMD+H worked ok... its the default Hide command for all OSX apps. It will hide STO so you can use your computer, then you can click on the STO icon in the dock (the running one not the launcher) to get back to the game.

I have a testing version I'm working on right now with some Wineskin changes I'm making, that have a single Icon, no separate launcher Icon and running Icon. But you wouldn't really notice that unless you tried making an entry on your dock for the game.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Teamyou
It works fine for me on new MacBookPro OS 10.6.2, 4Gb RAM, 2.53 GHz speed. Only place that I found my graphics slows down is SolarWind PvP zone. Also there was something funny about switching between Window/Fullscreen, sometimes it crashes game and sometimes crashes Wineskin.

If there is a way to switch between Wineskin and MacOS it would be awesome cause it seems all of us doing our research on internet
you shouldn't try to run STO in its windowed mode, its very unstable in Wine that way. Best to use he method I listed to run in a window, as it keeps STO in fullscreen, and just makes a virtual desktop window for it to play in.

and CMD+H (+h) is the best way to get out of fullscreen to multitask.


Quote:
Originally Posted by kjb0812 View Post
It runs pretty smooth (with the exception of a battle occurring in a nebula) but even at the highest settings it will allow me, it definitely doesn't look as good as some of the screenshots I've seen. The starships don't even emit ANY lights for me. If light is being shone on one side of the ship, the other side will be completely black with no lights whatsoever. I'm not sure if it can be fixed or not, but I'm not too worried about it right now. It's a fun game so I'll probably be playing for quite a while, in which time I'm sure to get a new computer.
You need to check most of the settings in the video section in STO... there are some options down at the very bottom that change a lot with lights... I tried STO for a few moments on my old Macbook Pro that has a X1600 and while kind of slow, it was mostly there graphically... not as bad of problems as your describing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gmask1 View Post
Apologies for the Wall of Text!

Just noting some testing results on my iMac (3.06 C2D w/8800 GS). Note that everything is running in space, only the spacedock type environments don't play nice. Using the beta 4, with a fresh copy of STO copied over from Bootcamp.
People have had issues with the 8800GS and some of the 8600s ... most people have gotten to play with them by keeping details and certain effects off, while turning on GLSL for Wine. I don't have a machine to test that stuff on myself.

Quote:
Originally Posted by liptonhex View Post
I've got the same issue than him
AN error message saying my graphic card is unsupported. and then having bad graphics.

On Windows, I have the same error message but the graphics are better.

My graphic card is an ATI Radeon 4850 HD, by the way it may be linked with the fact that ATI did not get any driver out for Mac since 2007...could it be?
STO will not be able to detect your card right... no matter the card. Everyone running under Wine will get the same message, you just hit to use default. Hitting default will NOT change your settings. If you used Lower before (first run) and hit default the next time... it may very well still be using Lower because that had been set to the default. You need to manually go in STO video options once in the game and set things right... there are many options in there.... but it probably does run best on OSX 10.6 which has all the newest everything.
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# 470
02-17-2010, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by doh123 View Post
You need to check most of the settings in the video section in STO... there are some options down at the very bottom that change a lot with lights... I tried STO for a few moments on my old Macbook Pro that has a X1600 and while kind of slow, it was mostly there graphically... not as bad of problems as your describing.
Are you referring to the Troubleshooting section? Because the section above that is all grayed out and it says that "This option is not supported by the current GPU."
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