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Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 171
10-05-2013, 03:36 PM
Never will really, when new species are introduced with OP abilities and boffs, I will have to re roll again and go through all the episodes and grind alllllll again.

I don't like to do it, but I must to stay competitive. If only they have it account wide that would be great, or at least reduce the amount we need to do.

But in all honesty they do this so they can tell their board that we have x number of players online= game is popular and statisically they will spend more money e.t.c. When really their just the old players grinding their toons rather than new players.

Bonnie Kiii Bonnie kiiiin I grind you
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# 172
10-08-2013, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by g0h4n4 View Post
Never will really, when new species are introduced with OP abilities and boffs, I will have to re roll again and go through all the episodes and grind alllllll again.

I don't like to do it, but I must to stay competitive. If only they have it account wide that would be great, or at least reduce the amount we need to do.

But in all honesty they do this so they can tell their board that we have x number of players online= game is popular and statisically they will spend more money e.t.c. When really their just the old players grinding their toons rather than new players.

Bonnie Kiii Bonnie kiiiin I grind you
I wonder how much better LOR could have done if people weren't afraid of the grind monster. Thanks to the CE event I have lots of Nukara marks, but not a drop in omega or romulan. I guess if they through out 50K dilithium/500FM events in each rep system I will work on them for alts too, but all my alts from now on are just story based, no PVP, no high end gear, at least they can all get doffs from the academies so that is a boon for me while I work on other captains.
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# 173
10-08-2013, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ussultimatum View Post
Having had more ambition than my actual motivation has been able to carry, I originally set out to create 4 new Romulan characters.

I'm nearing (within the next 2 weeks) completion of all 3 Rep systems on my initial Romulan Character.

However, at this point...

>The amount of different events you need to grind for different rep currencies.

> The generally tedious nature of buying an inputting small commodities (especially ground device consumables like hypos)

> The massive cost of expertise required (about 500,000 expertise PER Rep system, so about 1.5 million expertise for 3 systems - easy for old characters but yet another grind for new ones).


...have me uncertain I will even bother with a second new character, much less the 3rd and 4th.



Generally I log on, and there are things I have to do to earn rep that generally prevent me from playing the content that I actually want to play.


There are also other indirect advantages to not having multiple characters, as this game has pushed so far and hard into expensive, single character unlocks (DOFF Roster, Inventory slots, Bank Slots, Lockbox ships, fleet ships, dilithium store gear, Rep gear, fleet store gear, etc.)


So how about you? How are you taking the grind in stride?

How many characters will you maintain if they add another 1, 2, 3 or even 4 new Rep systems?

If in 1 year from now, there are a total of 6 Rep systems - would you even dare create a new character?

Keep in mind we have gotten 3 full Rep systems in the past 6/7 months.



What happens when a new faction is launched and you have to start all of it over again?

Well with the 16 toons that i have..i've hit that wall...most are done with Omega and Rommie rep...but Nukura..it's hard to bring myself to do it...but at least we have CE event atm...and will prob get about T3 in it before its over...not sure if i'll try to finish all 16 on it though...the grind is just too much..sad
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# 174
10-18-2013, 07:29 AM
Lifetimer here. I've got a total of three characters I use regularly (one for each faction), and my Fed-aligned Romulan just reached 50. I've nearly maxed Nukara rep, and am at Tier 5 in New Romulus and Omega on my Fed main. I'm about at Tier 2 for my Romulan and Klingon characters for Nukara and Omega (New Romulus is a slower grind, I've found, if you don't make much of eppoh tagging).

I'm beginning to feel a little bit of that pressure as I try to bring a KDF Romulan up, but the key difference here is that I'm simply not very competitive. The Rep systems were only ever an option to me, and since I'm not hardcore into PVP and am happily mediocre, much of what the Rep grind offers is little more than icing on the cake.

I can sympathize with folks who feel the rep system as it stands discourages the use of alts, but there's always a choice, and I guess I'm just lucky that the evolution of STO has fit my play habits quite well so far.
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Posts: 83
# 175
10-25-2013, 07:37 PM
Not a chance I'm even going to attempt to level it on more than one character in it's current state.

Leveling it once was a ridiculous amount of boring grind. If the rep system were account based instead of character based, it wouldn't be that much of an issue. People would still need to grind resources for individual gear needs, which is more than enough grinding.

The passives really aren't all that spectacular, so grinding the ridiculous amount of resources necessary for multiple characters isn't worth the effort, especially given the idiotic way the system punishes you for participating in the rep grind by not only requiring time and resources for each tier, but then they extort you for even more by making you buy the right to grind the next tier.

If they made you do this each time your character leveled, people would leave en masse. Double dipping people for rep tiers is just stupid.

The whole system needs a revamp, especially now that they're adding a new rep 'faction' with Season 8, which means a new currency as well. Someone needs to remind PWE/Cryptic that we don't live in the People's Republic of Grind and most definitely do not enjoy endlessly monotonous farm games.
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# 176
10-28-2013, 09:46 AM
I have been sitting here with the z-store window open contemplating if I should make a caitian character. I wanted to do this for quite some time and the xp event would be a good opportunity for leveling the character.

To get started it would cost me 600 zen for the playble species, 2000 for 4 bridge officers, 2500 for the kitty carrier and an additional 500 when the fleet version comes out. That should not be a problem.

Then I thought about the 3 reputations with a 4th coming soon. Even with the reputation revamp and the rep sponsoring it would take me a month of grinding and waiting. I dont think thats worth it.

Anyway, thanks, Cryptic, for trying. The rep sponsoring is a step in the right direction even if it is a (too) small one.
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# 177
10-28-2013, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bluegeek View Post
Since this statement has been called into question, I will merely say that back when the Reputation system was first announced the Devs discussed this point and stated that they didn't expect people to grind up to T-5 in every Reputation on every toon. They said they envisioned the Rep system as a way for characters to distinguish themselves. By implication, some toons will specialize in some Reps and some in others. People who "gotta get 'em all" will advance far more slowly than those who specialize.
I felt this intent was obvious and I still have trouble taking anyone seriously who complains about "needing to do" every single rep on all fifty of their toons. The whole thing is meaningless unless you PvP anyway.
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# 178
10-28-2013, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by twg042370 View Post
I felt this intent was obvious and I still have trouble taking anyone seriously who complains about "needing to do" every single rep on all fifty of their toons. The whole thing is meaningless unless you PvP anyway.
Yup I PVP and I have 6 toons fully repped with 1 more in the more process.

The worst thing I hate doing the rep, I say absolutely rubbish to the guy who said it made each toon distinct.

I do the Rep because i have to not because I want to. In order to stay competitive and get the best gear, there is no choice in that.

It's like going for a street race, you can save up for a Subaru or you can use your Skoda. So you if you don't want to grind then your going to get owned big time and die alot in PVE too.
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Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 179
10-28-2013, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by twg042370 View Post
I felt this intent was obvious and I still have trouble taking anyone seriously who complains about "needing to do" every single rep on all fifty of their toons. The whole thing is meaningless unless you PvP anyway.
Yeah, I really don't care about it myself.

As for PvP, I've beaten VAs with a L39 char.... Sure that was luck/outflanking them, but still.

Most of the rep passives are less significant than the difference between MK11 and MK12. Sure, the other guy has an edge, but does it make him unbeatable? no.
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Lieutenant
Join Date: Jan 2013
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# 180
10-30-2013, 12:14 AM
I think it would help if they added a add max button on the interface without having to bring up the popup for the item you want to enter. That is one of the biggest things that amke it tedious. If you streamlined the interface a bit it would not be so bad! Make it a little plus sign box next to the contribute button next to all turn in items in the rep system and the Fleet system or any other item that has that turn in function! Then you select the slider option if you only want to much. That would solve 90% of the issue! But it must be a small button you click and only have to click once. No extra buttons with an ok button! 8)
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