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Commander
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 327
# 71
07-10-2013, 10:49 PM
I leveled my romulan to level 50 in a week. It was fun but she is on the bench as of right now.

it is simply too much to grind on more than one character. I dont have time to sit and run the required number of STF's and all of that to level multiple characters. I don't know how some people do it because it is painful at best.

Personally I think if cryptic is going to add more rep systems they should make them account wide like with zen store purchases instead of making each character have to grind it out.

If I wanted to farm endlessly I wouldn't have quit evony.

My fleet is small and although we have 90 members not many of them are active. Some are casual and don't even contribute to projects which is another reason why alternates are needed by the 2-5 top contributors (as some say) but the tedious, never ending grinding is making things difficult. Also, with the addition of full out romulan playable faction many of the players are focusing solely on grinding out their romulan characters.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 138
# 72
07-11-2013, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by rob2485 View Post
I leveled my romulan to level 50 in a week. It was fun but she is on the bench as of right now.

it is simply too much to grind on more than one character. I dont have time to sit and run the required number of STF's and all of that to level multiple characters. I don't know how some people do it because it is painful at best.

Personally I think if cryptic is going to add more rep systems they should make them account wide like with zen store purchases instead of making each character have to grind it out.

If I wanted to farm endlessly I wouldn't have quit evony.

My fleet is small and although we have 90 members not many of them are active. Some are casual and don't even contribute to projects which is another reason why alternates are needed by the 2-5 top contributors (as some say) but the tedious, never ending grinding is making things difficult. Also, with the addition of full out romulan playable faction many of the players are focusing solely on grinding out their romulan characters.
You will be surprised. I know people who are always online...when i go to sleep and wake up they are still there. Lack of social life, un employed..living on government aid, insomania. Plenty of reasons why so many people have no trouble doing it on multiple toons.
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Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 486
# 73
07-11-2013, 07:23 AM
I am only doing the rep stuff on my mains; the rest can do without. Even the thought of doing it all on more than one character makes me want to just quit sometimes.

It's like planetary interaction in EVE Online, except you have to put more and more materials into it, rather than getting more and more materials out of it.
Captain
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,325
# 74
07-11-2013, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by rob2485 View Post
it is simply too much to grind on more than one character. I dont have time to sit and run the required number of STF's and all of that to level multiple characters. I don't know how some people do it because it is painful at best.
Omega rep is easy, just do a couple of STFs every few days and you will have more than enough marks to feed the dialog boxes. Clicking the dialogs isnt hard. Whats the problem?

Romulan rep is much more annoying since you have to either do a lot more space combats (azura every day sometimes twice) or you have to chase epohhs every day. Most people can stop Romulan rep at level 4 though, so at least it doesnt take as long.

Nukera... do you need it for something? Its a pain in the butt, most people dont need anything from it.

I dont understand why people complain about it being hard, its not hard at all, its just time-consuming. That is what I dislike about it, the fact that it takes a couple of months of "hurry up and wait" time-gate BS before somebody can get a level footing
Empire Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 204
# 75
07-12-2013, 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by rob2485 View Post
it is simply too much to grind on more than one character. I dont have time to sit and run the required number of STF's and all of that to level multiple characters. I don't know how some people do it because it is painful at best.
The key is the time taken - while I have 3 x Tier 5 reps on all 4 of my Alts, it took ages. About 6 months post FTP, which left most with a good whack of Omega marks once the reps came in; then about 4 months to clear Rom and Omega reps. Nukara has been a concerted blitz (it turned out that running 4 x CCs with the toons back-to-back was efficient, if painfully grind-y, for an hour a day). Just level at whatever rate you can manage. "Concurrent activity" really helped on the Rom and Nukara reps.

That said... I am already past the point where I can be bothered to create another alt. I've got 4 that cover the character archetypes I like, and the level of grind / investment for a 5th is too much for the return. I haven't bothered with a Romulan character at all; while LoR is undoubtedly the best thing Cryptic have done since launch, I've never been overly taken with the Romulans, and I feel no more obligation to play every bit of STO than I do to watch every episode of a TV series.
Captain
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 538
# 76
07-12-2013, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ursusmorologus View Post
Omega rep is easy, just do a couple of STFs every few days and you will have more than enough marks to feed the dialog boxes. Clicking the dialogs isnt hard. Whats the problem?

Romulan rep is much more annoying since you have to either do a lot more space combats (azura every day sometimes twice) or you have to chase epohhs every day. Most people can stop Romulan rep at level 4 though, so at least it doesnt take as long.

Nukera... do you need it for something? Its a pain in the butt, most people dont need anything from it.

I dont understand why people complain about it being hard, its not hard at all, its just time-consuming. That is what I dislike about it, the fact that it takes a couple of months of "hurry up and wait" time-gate BS before somebody can get a level footing
I would also like to add the Tau Dewa patrol mission is a decent source of Romulan Marks. If you complete it during the bonus time you can get 75 at a time. Personally, I use Nequencia... after cycling through a few times you will start to learn the patterns well enough to get the patrol completed pretty quickly. It is by no means exciting... but then neither are slider bars and merchant runs; it's the reward you want.

As far as the time gate... that is probably the biggest failing of the Reputation system. Given that the sources of each mark type are also time gated, adding any gate to the Reputation as well is irksome. I REALLY miss the old STF stores, with no timers or secondary material requirements...

Anyway, to toss my two cents out there for the OP... now, this many, three. I currently have one captain of each career and faction, and I've barely bothered to get much done in the Nukara Reputation on my Fed/KDF captains. The Reputation System has nice rewards, but all the fetch this, grind that, drag the slider bar, stare at a timer stuff makes the system itself godawful. Add to that the strange attachment limit thing that seems to crop up when I transfer doffs and I have no interest in adding new characters... and especially buying character slots, lol.
Commander
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 357
# 77
07-17-2013, 10:24 AM
Long story short, no new players, not even with if it is the Cardies, and not probably not repping my current players much more if any more.

I am not even going to start Nukara on my other players. I have 3 feds (1 each), a klink, and a Reman. I have maxed out all of the reps on one toon, did 2 reps with 2 others, and am way less than excited to do any rep with my last 2 toons.

My Reman is not even level 50 yet, he has been in the 30s for a long time. Maybe if we get more science ships (yes we have one that counts, but only one) I might feel inspired to work on him. Looking at the vast selection fed side is what inspired me to create my third fed. Not sure if I will do more than the Romulan rep with him or not.

Any new playable race is likely to be even more half assed than the Romulans with even less reason to play them. Don't get me wrong I rather liked the parts of the Romulan story that are new content, but they have fewer end game options than the poor Klinks. No thanks
Rihannsu
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 27
# 78
07-18-2013, 08:58 AM
I've one toon currently and start soon my Rom. i will only grind the Omega stuff for the Rom. Rep grinding is for me the same as fleetbase grinding. The latter is fun for a short while, after that i recognized that its way more fun if you play the PVE/STF stuff with fleeties. However even in my 3rd fleet i have the same problem i face with the previous ones: not so much team play. I would love to play stuff together everyday together but it doesn't seem to be possible. Also fleets seems to be quite idle in chat channels.
Other thing is it gets bored if you have to do the same stuff over and over again to get the marks of your type. Thats why i liked epohh tagging, its just a brainless short activity. However it takes too much time to get the rom marks to get the stuff you want.


My advise to Cryptic:
create short multi missions optimised for co-op, remake all the fleet actionswhich are currently not in the game, like battle of DS9. And create a lot more pve stuff.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,390
# 79
07-19-2013, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bridgern View Post
According to Geko and this Massively Interview, there will be a new Reputation with the next Season.

I have nothing against grinding, but what we have in STO is beyond grinding, it has become a job outside my job.

Cryptic it is enough, make them account wide!
Oh yes, I very much expect we will see at least 1 new rep system every 6 months on average from this point forward.

I'm generally OK with that, here are the main issues.

1) It's severely detrimental and highly unrealistic to manage this across many alts for the majority of players.

2) The amount of expertise is one of the largest bottle necks for newly created characters. At this time only repeatedly running MU Incursion events are the only realistic way to generate the large amount of expertise required in any reasonable time frame.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,247
# 80
07-19-2013, 07:04 AM
I have to say, I've reached my limit on the rep system. I started a couple Roms, even decided to final level my KDF... I got through the leveling ... then looked at the rep system, sighed, signed out, and signed in on one of my two main toons that is already done with the systems.

Honestly, I don't think it should be account wide unlocks... but i do think that for each toon that levels you should get X% discount (cost and time) on rep projects (same chain i.e. Omega, Nukara, Romulan) for all other toons. I like 10%... knowing that the toons currently languishing would get a 20% bump because I have already ground out the rep twice before.. this seems fair. You level 10 toons in a rep, gratz... you unlocked it for the entire account. You've put your time in, and should get a break
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