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# 1 What is wrong with BSG?
07-02-2013, 08:10 PM
Recently me and my friends had finished BSG, and all we can think of is that the ending is the best one of all sci-fi (in fact a few of us are moved to tears). Yet before I watched it, I heard many comments online that say the ending is a let down.

I don't get it. What is wrong with the BSG's ending? It was probably the most mature ending of all sci-fi series, beating even DS9's ending which I consider to be good.
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# 2
07-02-2013, 08:21 PM
I'm assuming you are referring to the modern BSG and not the late 1970s BSG. I only saw a bit of the former. The latter seemed to loose its way (no pun intended) with the writing as the series progressed.
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# 3
07-02-2013, 08:38 PM
Yes, I am refering the the modern TRS series.

I really don't know... if you consider that about 2 of them are in film school, and they consider it to be a very good (not just good) series, then I really do not get what is wrong with it. especially with season 4
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# 4
07-02-2013, 08:48 PM
Unbelievable story, full of plot holes and logic bombs, overwraught scripting, horrible casting, ....

good example was Starbuck came back from death somehow... the character was not likeable (wanted to be challenging and edgy she was just grating and annoying) so I did not care when she died and actually looked forward to it, only to have her return as some kind of unknown unexplained mystical entity. LOL that's not good writing its barf in a bag and call it art

it was poor fantasy fiction, dressed up as sci-fi. fantasy because they could not make the story work, so they use magic to make it work (things like, visions of the map). that's the problem with almost all modern sci-fi, star trek included
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# 5
07-02-2013, 09:13 PM
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Unbelievable story, full of plot holes and logic bombs, overwraught scripting, horrible casting, ....

good example was Starbuck came back from death somehow... the character was not likeable (wanted to be challenging and edgy she was just grating and annoying) so I did not care when she died and actually looked forward to it, only to have her return as some kind of unknown unexplained mystical entity. LOL that's not good writing its barf in a bag and call it art

it was poor fantasy fiction, dressed up as sci-fi. fantasy because they could not make the story work, so they use magic to make it work (things like, visions of the map). that's the problem with almost all modern sci-fi, star trek included
Yeah the original was the bible though. The 12 tribes of Israel seeking the promised land and the Cylons were the devil. The new one is like neo pagan or something and anti JudeoChristian because the cylons are monotheistic killing machines. So spituality was part of the shows nuts and bolts from the get go.
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# 6
07-02-2013, 09:29 PM
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Yeah the original was the bible though. The 12 tribes of Israel seeking the promised land and the Cylons were the devil. The new one is like neo pagan or something and anti JudeoChristian because the cylons are monotheistic killing machines. So spituality was part of the shows nuts and bolts from the get go.
Oh... that will explain why my friends like it. I can't believe I did not realized it's actually a biblical story in space.

Considering that my friends in addition to the pastor actually like the ending, I would guess even the new one is actually very supportive of the christian mindset.
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# 7
07-02-2013, 09:44 PM
Well, technically, the original isn't what most think of as the Bible IN SPACE!!!, it's the Book of Mormon IN SPACE!!! Glen Larson was tasked by ABC to come up with a TV series real fast to take advantage of the interest in Star Wars, and he managed to sneak past them a series with roots in his Mormon religion (in which God was once a mortal being, from a planet called Kolob, who was rewarded with godhead and jurisdiction over the Earth because of his righteousness - a goal every Mormon man aims toward). The "lost thirteenth tribe" comes from that, too - according to LDS, at least as of the last revelation I heard about (the Prophet can have more revelations, apparently), Native Americans are in fact a lost thirteenth tribe of Israel, and America is the Promised Land.

Now, I can understand some of the problems with the ending, which stem largely from Moore's uncertainty as to whether SyFy would permit him to end the story at all. He had a five-year plan, in which he would spend much of the fourth year establishing the idea that Someone or Something exists, and keeps trying to guide Its creation such that the creation will end the cycle of "create life - war with life - everybody dies except for the seed of the next cycle" of its own accord. I think the point Moore wanted to make was that we're going to make AIs eventually - and they can be our "children", or they can be our enemies, and it's up to us which it will be. (Starbuck's "disappearance" and "reappearance" was that she died in the atmosphere of that gas giant, and what they got back was an "angel" of sorts.)

This could have been a good and powerful ending. However, it was overshadowed by the bit where Lee talks the entire fleet into completely abandoning all technology except for a few select bits, for no very good reason whatsoever. (The remnant of the fleet was not self-sustaining - the ships would have died soon without a spaceport for maintenance, so they could not have built a high civilization from what they had, and since the landing was supposed to be 50,000 years ago, there would have been no traces of their works to explain away in the final moments.) It was also short-circuited when Moore felt it necessary to cram all the story elements possible into that last half-season - a decision which actually turned out to be for the better, as SyFy actually was planning to axe the show.

I did, however, like the way the Galactica showed the stresses that everyone was undergoing - and the way she gave her all in that last boarding action to rescue Hera.
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# 8
07-02-2013, 09:49 PM
If you liked it, and your friends liked it, then what does it matter what someone else thinks of it?

Personally I think its one of the best shows I've ever seen.
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# 9
07-02-2013, 11:47 PM
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU - Okay, you know what? You all should know by now just how much NuBSG throws me into fits of rage, so I'm just going to go by the numbers here:


1. Let's have every scene shot as dark as we possibly can. We don't have to build sets if they can't see them!


2. Let's make the battles as dark as possible! That way, we won't have to spend as much on the action sequences.


3. While we're at it, lets make EVERY******nthing as dark as we can. That way people will know how dark and grim and gritty and dark and horrible and grim and dark and gritty this series is!!!

Yes.

Because this series is supposed to be completely serious.

Where people say the word "Frak".

Yes.


4. Let's make Starbuck a woman! No one will see it coming!


5. Let's make her an jerk! No one will see it coming!


6. Since no one likes her, let's kill her! No one will see it coming!


7. Now let's bring her back from the dead! No one will see it coming!


8. Remember how no one saw that [insert character here] was a cylon? Let's do it again! No one will see it coming!


9. Hey, remember how in the original series, Cylons were evil, uncompromising, relentless all consuming alien horrors that gave in to their greedy self-serving ways in order to parallel the soulless beast that is the biblical devil? That was lame. They have feelings now.

And boobs.


10. You know what was a good series? The Animatrix. Let's rip it off and call it an original series.


11. And that stupid stupid ending. I could go on and on about how that endiJUST SCREW YOU RONALD D. MOORE. SCREW YOU. SHAME ON YOU AND YOUR STUPID DESIRE TO MAKE EVERYTHING DARK AND GRIM AND HORRIBLE AND LAME. SUCK IT RONALD. SERIOUSLY.
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# 10
07-03-2013, 12:04 AM
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU - Okay, you know what? You all should know by now just how much NuBSG throws me into fits of rage, so I'm just going to go by the numbers here:


1. Let's have every scene shot as dark as we possibly can. We don't have to build sets if they can't see them!


2. Let's make the battles as dark as possible! That way, we won't have to spend as much on the action sequences.


3. While we're at it, lets make EVERY******nthing as dark as we can. That way people will know how dark and grim and gritty and dark and horrible and grim and dark and gritty this series is!!!

Yes.

Because this series is supposed to be completely serious.

Where people say the word "Frak".

Yes.


4. Let's make Starbuck a woman! No one will see it coming!


5. Let's make her an jerk! No one will see it coming!


6. Since no one likes her, let's kill her! No one will see it coming!


7. Now let's bring her back from the dead! No one will see it coming!


8. Remember how no one saw that [insert character here] was a cylon? Let's do it again! No one will see it coming!


9. Hey, remember how in the original series, Cylons were evil, uncompromising, relentless all consuming alien horrors that gave in to their greedy self-serving ways in order to parallel the soulless beast that is the biblical devil? That was lame. They have feelings now.

And boobs.


10. You know what was a good series? The Animatrix. Let's rip it off and call it an original series.


11. And that stupid stupid ending. I could go on and on about how that endiJUST SCREW YOU RONALD D. MOORE. SCREW YOU. SHAME ON YOU AND YOUR STUPID DESIRE TO MAKE EVERYTHING DARK AND GRIM AND HORRIBLE AND LAME. SUCK IT RONALD. SERIOUSLY.
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