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# 21
07-01-2013, 05:57 PM
Indeed, looks well balanced to me, looks like it can give a huge alpha strike with quite a bit of defence (not literally) but not as much sustained combat, sciences for sensor scan are more needed then ever (although that is in general with all Romulan ships).

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# 22
07-01-2013, 06:23 PM
Well you guys won - you got you avg ship - not OP


congrats bug ship still rules.

DDS - can you give me a good boff layout(for my sci toon) for this lame - no Cmdr Sci ship - in 3 ships?? WTF is that??

Thx
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# 23
07-01-2013, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
yep. vet ship layout is the best layout
I was actually expecting something more along the lines of:

X, X, X
X, X
X, X
X, X, X, X
X


So there could have been the Tac Cmdr, Eng Cmdr, Sci Cmdr to match the 5 relative consoles...with the En Uni used for Tac/Eng/Sci as one saw fit.

12 of the 21 Rom boats are now Tac Cmdr (6 Eng and 3 Sci)...~57%.

Feds are what? 21 Tac, 20 Eng, 20 Sci...~34%.

And KDF are...? 10 Tac, 6 Uni, 16 Eng, 7 Sci...~26 to 41% depending on how the Uni Cmdr are used.

Heck, lockboxesque ships...? 6 Tac, 2 Uni, 2 Eng, 1 Sci...~55 to 73%, again depending on how the Uni Cmdr are used.

It's just funny, when folks were expecting them to be the Sci guys to the balanced Feds and Tac KDF...who'd have thought they'd be more Tac than the KDF, eh?

As for the Sci Cmdr?

Rom - 14%
Fed - 33%
KDF - 18 to 33%
Box - 9 to 27%

The Rom Vet ship is still to come, so that will be another Tac.

Taculans...that's what they are...
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# 24
07-01-2013, 06:47 PM
Disclosure : My Rom is a Sci and across all my toons (well, there are only 2 of them, 1 Fed and 1 Rom), I have a strong Sci bias.

That said, I think the boff seating of this ship is satisfactory for Rom Sci. One can have up to 6 Sci boff slots, more than either Tact or Eng slots. Plus, Rom ships are the masters of alpha strikes, one way or the other. If you fly a Rom ship but don't alpha strike, it doesn't matter whether you are tact, sci or eng, you are doing it wrong. The lack of Commander Sci slot really is not problematic in this case due to the inherent alpha attack nature of all Romulan ships. Note: Roms do not have real carriers and all end game Rom ship have battlecloaks.

Some of the more interesting Sci builds that work with Federation vessels like the Wells simply cannot be transplanted or copied to a Rom vessel due to the vast difference in their ship design such as warp core type, shield strength and etc. The few vessels that Romulans have that can be classified as Sci are really Sci at demi by Starfleet standards, which is why I don't bother.

Most people so far are sharply focused on the 5 tact console Scimitar. I am not sure that's the best overall design for this class of ship. On a fast moving Escort, the 5 tact console makes a lot of sense. This ship will need help with its maneuverability and shield/damage resistance because it's a slow moving whale-like target. The 3 unique consoles will further exasperate the available console space if 5 tact consoles are used. This is as much as I will say, food for thoughts for anyone reading this thread.
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# 25
07-01-2013, 06:53 PM
The Falchion will end up being the best for pvp imo.

APDX2
TTX2
RSPX1
ATSIX2
EPTSX2
HEX2
TSSX1

And there you have the cruiser equivalent of the HEC. Slap two of the consoles on for a nice boost and it won't be terrible, but I don't think this will be a good PVP ship for anything other than full scimitar groups. It just doesn't have a great tanking or healing set up.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh....php?t=1313421
The Somraw, K'tinga, D'Kyr, D7, Kumari, Xindi carrier, Xindi escort, and the T'Varo are all older than the Constitution Refit and yet they are tier 5. The Constellation is made up primarily of Connie refit parts and it is tier 5, there is no logical reason whatsoever for the no tier 5/6 connie rule.
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# 26
07-01-2013, 06:59 PM
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The Falchion will end up being the best for pvp imo.

APDX2
TTX2
RSPX1
ATSIX2
EPTSX2
HEX2
TSSX1

And there you have the cruiser equivalent of the HEC. Slap two of the consoles on for a nice boost and it won't be terrible, but I don't think this will be a good PVP ship for anything other than full scimitar groups. It just doesn't have a great tanking or healing set up.
In addition, all the powers you listed above are very vulnerable or close to useless against Torpedo boats, especially if they have shield-bypass abilities, DOT proc and have access to subnuke. Plus, duplicate powers tend to have very long CD. Unless absolutely necessary, it's generally a bad idea to do so.
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# 27
07-01-2013, 07:08 PM
Personally I wish they would have given the science version sensor analysis to give the romulans a second "Science" ship. But I guess then that might have been OP? Ah well, I still want them!!
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# 28
07-01-2013, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by iskandus View Post
Disclosure : My Rom is a Sci and across all my toons (well, there are only 2 of them, 1 Fed and 1 Rom), I have a strong Sci bias.

That said, I think the boff seating of this ship is satisfactory for Rom Sci. One can have up to 6 Sci boff slots, more than either Tact or Eng slots. Plus, Rom ships are the masters of alpha strikes, one way or the other. If you fly a Rom ship but don't alpha strike, it doesn't matter whether you are tact, sci or eng, you are doing it wrong. The lack of Commander Sci slot really is not problematic in this case due to the inherent alpha attack nature of all Romulan ships. Note: Roms do not have real carriers and all end game Rom ship have battlecloaks.

Some of the more interesting Sci builds that work with Federation vessels like the Wells simply cannot be transplanted or copied to a Rom vessel due to the vast difference in their ship design such as warp core type, shield strength and etc. The few vessels that Romulans have that can be classified as Sci are really Sci at demi by Starfleet standards, which is why I don't bother.

Most people so far are sharply focused on the 5 tact console Scimitar. I am not sure that's the best overall design for this class of ship. On a fast moving Escort, the 5 tact console makes a lot of sense. This ship will need help with its maneuverability and shield/damage resistance because it's a slow moving whale-like target. The 3 unique consoles will further exasperate the available console space if 5 tact consoles are used. This is as much as I will say, food for thoughts for anyone reading this thread.
Is Alpha strike availible to Sci captains? I was not aware of that.
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# 29
07-01-2013, 07:24 PM
the scemitar family looks like a fun ship family to fly. they have fighter wing the can equip fighters or drones.
the tac scemitar is tacty heavey
the science is science storng
the engineering engineering strong.

the lt and ens universal doff are cool and can be set up to be useful for more then one role.
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# 30
07-01-2013, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by newromulan1 View Post
Is Alpha strike availible to Sci captains? I was not aware of that.
A number of us just use the term Alpha to mean stacking all your damage-dealing abilities and coming out of cloak guns blazing. It doesn't necessarily mean using APA.

In fact, an Alpha using Tac boff abilities with a Subnuke+Sensor Scan can be pretty effective.
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