Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 28
# 11
07-03-2013, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by originpi View Post
I don't understand. If you are so desperate for a science ship, why not just fly the Ha'nom Guardian?
The fleet upgrade is just 10% hull and shields and 1 console slot. While I agree the fleet bonuses are nice, they are by no means essential and you can run your T5 Ha'nom just fine.

No offence but your "I don't care about power gaming I just want to do space magic (science)" doesn't hold water if you aren't willing to give up a small amount of optimization for it.
actually i do fly this ship. its absolutely a beautiful ship and right now i run fleet everything on this ship. i am guessing as pure luck i have been doing good in pvp with this ship. in stf well i got a lot of work to do but this is coming from someone with 8 toons so i can do any with my eyes closed. actually my gripe is not that i do not have a ship to fly but i do not have the option that other romulan careers have, an option for a fleet or store ship. i can even live with not getting the fleet ship as most are tier 5 anyways. all i ask is for a fair representation that other romulan careers got.
and if i have any gripe about the ha'nom is its weak hull but is not every rom ship like that?
we can forever argue about the role of a science captain but all that matters is what works for that specific person and team. my science captains have played roles of offensive dps, torpedo boat (absolutely worked great in stf but failed in pvp), and everything in between. for me i do best as a power and shield stripper, healer and crowd control.
Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 28
# 12
07-03-2013, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by trhrangerxml View Post
If they really wanted to do something unique for the Roms I would of had a Universal Cmdr. and Lt.Cmdr., Lt. Engi., Lt. Sci. and Ensign Tac. This would have created a very flexible and unique ship.
actually think of the options if we had all universal bridge officers. oh well bad idea we would all be tacs in the end
Commander
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 335
# 13
07-03-2013, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bluegrassgeek View Post
Is it really so difficult for you to understand that not all Sci players WANT to fly science ships?
Not only do I understand it, but I've demonstrated no sign of not. So your reply is as banal as the comment that sci captains don't need to fly sci ships.

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Originally Posted by bluegrassgeek View Post
That doesn't mean you can't fly something else until a good Sci ship comes out.
And there it is...
Commander
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 335
# 14
07-03-2013, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by originpi View Post
I don't understand. If you are so desperate for a science ship, why not just fly the Ha'nom Guardian?
Yes it's a science ship. Our only one. It flies but sadly it's a) not very pretty and b) the size of a small moon.

Apart from needing to zoom back a fair distance to see around yourself in team situations its size means you get hit by every stray beam and torpedo fired in your general direction and have to take care to avoid being an obstacle to your team-mates.

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actually think of the options if we had all universal bridge officers. oh well bad idea we would all be tacs in the end
I think that would be the obvious, easy fix for the problem.

Presently, thanks the universal lt cmdr boff slot, I find the T'varo retrofit to be the best option available for a science ship.
Commander
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 472
# 15
07-05-2013, 11:32 AM
I was hopefull of the scimitar but it lacks a commander sci boff so the hanom is still the only real sci ship we have. Hopefully something comes out before my sci toon gets written off as a farmer and never taken out in public. Hopefully we get something with a slight tac focus as the mirror hanom has a slight eng focus.
Republic Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2013
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# 16
07-06-2013, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by varnoukh View Post
Not only do I understand it, but I've demonstrated no sign of not. So your reply is as banal as the comment that sci captains don't need to fly sci ships.
Wow, you went beyond double-negative there, so I'm having trouble following your statement.

Regardless, my statement was simply to point out how absurd your own statement was. Yes, we know some Sci captains want to fly Sci ships. And we know the Romulans have a dearth of selection there. The suggestion to fly something besides Sci for now isn't intended as "too bad, suck it up." It's intended simply to suggest a stopgap measure until we do have a good spread of ships to choose from.
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Keep calm, and continue firing photon torpedoes.

Last edited by bluegrassgeek; 07-06-2013 at 12:26 PM.
Commander
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 335
# 17
07-07-2013, 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by bluegrassgeek View Post
Wow, you went beyond double-negative there, so I'm having trouble following your statement.
Using multiple negatives in a sentence doesn't add up to a double negative. You should take a look at the definition of a double negative before you try slinging that one again.

Here's another example of a sentence with multiple negatives which isn't a double negative. Hope you can understand this one.

I neither committed a double negative, nor went beyond one.

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Originally Posted by bluegrassgeek View Post
Regardless, my statement was simply to point out how absurd your own statement was. Yes, we know some Sci captains want to fly Sci ships. And we know the Romulans have a dearth of selection there. The suggestion to fly something besides Sci for now isn't intended as "too bad, suck it up." It's intended simply to suggest a stopgap measure until we do have a good spread of ships to choose from.
There was nothing absurd about my statement.

The constant cries of "Science officers don't have to fly science ships" is completely redundant. Do you really the OP or anyone else who makes it to level 50 doesn't know that?

No-one's claiming they're stuck in spacedock. They're claiming that options for one particular type of ship are ridiculously limited. Ignoring fleet versions, refits and retrofits, there are 11 Romulan vessels - 7 escort, 3 cruiser, 1 science.

Last edited by varnoukh; 07-07-2013 at 04:25 AM.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 928
# 18
07-07-2013, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by varnoukh View Post
That's just plain daft. Of course science players don't "have to" pilot science ships. They also, while we're stating the blindingly obvious, don't have to play this game.

Is it really so difficult for you to understand that players who choose science as a career WANT to pilot science ships?
Exactly my point many times. It's no secret they have this kind of hate for science captains in any race.

The ships are weak, the skills are gimpt, and as soon as these new consoles and ship components come out with kinetic resist across the board, our skills will be completely useless.

They should just delete all science captains a this point with as little time and effort they put into making theme balanced.
I would like for the devs to open a poll/feedback thread on what exactly the players would like to see in the near future for the game.
Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 3,553
# 19
07-07-2013, 05:05 AM
I have three words for you:

Dhelan Warbird Retrofit.

You get dakka, you get magic, and you get nimbleness.

What more could you want?
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Tired of Wasting EC and Time trying to get Superior Romulan Operative BOffs? Here's a cheap and easy way to get them, with an almost 100% chance of success.
Why the Devs can't make PvE content harder.
Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 28
# 20
07-14-2013, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
I have three words for you:

Dhelan Warbird Retrofit.

You get dakka, you get magic, and you get nimbleness.

What more could you want?
actually this is a romulan bop without the bop universal bridge officers and i have one. i wouldnt even qualify this as a good tac ship let alone a science ship. as i had good success with the chel grett and its extra sci slots you would think maybe this ship would work ok but it does not.
anyhow this thread is about romulan science specific ships not bad tac ships.
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