Survivor of Remus
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 31
07-22-2013, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by pulserazor View Post
I am a bit disappointed now that my fleet D'Deridex has basically been trumped by the Scimitar, the fact that a Scimitar can fly circles around a D'Deridex while having 5 for weapons and a potentially devistating tactical loadout makes me have serious buyers remorse for the DD, what has now become a sub-par ship with a pretty skin. Sure it has 10% more hull then a Scimitar, but that is hardly equitable vs a ship that can run 5 tac consoles, 5 fore weapons, plasma embassy consoles, romulan set bonus and quite likely likely double the DD's damage, and more time on target with superior turn rate - and before anyone tries to say the D'D is a healer, the Fleet variant has a pretty bad boff layout for anykind of serious healing role, vs the normal DD.

Am I missing something, or has the Fleet D'D just become rubbish?
I don't know what planet you are from, but when I play STO Cmd Eng and LtC Sci is the BEST healing layout possible. Add to that the the D'D gets an extra LtC Tac (FAW3) makes it a very solid ship for keeping itself alive and returning fire fairly well.

Anyone who says an ensign tac station is useless (a second one, not a third like on the FTER) has never met Tactical Team, apparently.

The D'D's turn rate lends it much more to a beam array boat than the Scimitar, so do that. Honestly I see the two ships pretty evenly matched as far as one being much more survivable than the other, while the scimitar is just plain killy.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Apr 2013
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# 32
07-25-2013, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by arcjet View Post
Oh, as for me, and a bit on topic, I'll probably buy the D'deridex retrofit with the current discount.
I won't buy the Scimitar, since I never liked it (it's some lazy script writer's ugly looking, unimaginative piece of boring overpowered wet dream small ego compensator..).
However, I'd gladly pay for some classic looking Fed or Klingon ship (Galaxy/Souvereign/Vor'Cha/Negh'Var) with similar stats. Without the hangar, mind you.
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# 33
07-25-2013, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by arcjet View Post
Yes, sadly. And as long as there are so many manipulable players out there, acting like cattle, it will stay that way. If at all, it will get worse.
At some point even the dumbest ones will realize they're being led and fed. Then they'll complain and stomp their feet in protest. But alas, they won't blame themselves.
And so the circle continues.

Oh, as for me, and a bit on topic, I'll probably buy the D'deridex retrofit with the current discount.
I won't buy the Scimitar, since I never liked it (it's some lazy script writer's ugly looking, unimaginative piece of boring overpowered wet dream small ego compensator..).However, I'd gladly pay for some classic looking Fed or Klingon ship (Galaxy/Souvereign/Vor'Cha/Negh'Var) with similar stats. Without the hangar, mind you.
Agreed - I haven't purchased a Scimitar; am in two minds about it, but still more on the side of NOT buying. I don't like it for EXACT reasons you stated.

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# 34
07-25-2013, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by warmaker001b View Post
All current versions of the D'Deridex ships, including the standard Commander level one, are already suitable beam broadsiding ships. Hell, that playstyle is the FIRST immediately viable combat style one can come up with considering the slow turn rate.

Player: "Let's see, this thing turns slow. Not sure how to make that better, so I figure DHCs maybe out of the question. Too narrow of arcs. What to do... I know!!!! Wider fire arc weapons! BEAM ARRAYS!!!"
Quite.

As a new (to STO) player I actually found that to be a small problem. My first real difficulties with combat came when I jumped into the D'deridex - which I'd been so looking forward to. Up until then all warbirds had been escorts for which DHCs are ideal. I had been choosing my mission rewards accordingly.

Loaded my weapons onto the D'deridex and I was basically just spinning around slowly in space for about an hour desperately trying to hit anything.

Even with its horribly slow turn rate I'd still like to see tac and especially sci (given the dearth of sci options) variants. It's such an awesome looking ship.
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# 35
07-26-2013, 05:12 AM
Still in two minds about buying the Scimitar - as said in an earlier post, I don't really like it much.

Have some Zen so could buy one, possibly the three-pack - but am more tempted by the Fleet Mogai to be honest.

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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 36
07-26-2013, 06:28 AM
I picked up the three pack I like it but in the end doubt I will use the consoles, just like on my Vesta.

Still enjoying my Fleet T'Varo so much more, treating her like an escort that just has a EBC.

I hate the look of the Mogai, the Dhelan is ok looking nothing great.

Would like to pick up the Haakona, that looks interesting.

I love the D'D but too slow in turning.

The Scimitars looke like giant overgrown KDF BOP, so with the right hull piece parts, and gear to improve turn rate I think she could be run with a setup similar to a KDF Battlecruiser, with a launch bay, and Romulan cloak to boot. But then I like the direct approach, and am happy with spamming evasive maneuvers with a engine battery if need be.

Just forget about her console set or if you have the 3-pack build more than one ship.

I think she is a perfect hull for 2x photon torp launchers, Omega Torp, 2x DHC, Turrets and cutting beam rear, at least 2 piece KDF honor guard set, and as much damage, turn, and shield boosting consoles as possible.
Gingerbread Men non-combat pets? Is this Star Trek or Shrek in Space? STO Boldly jumping sharks where no one has gone before... Gingerbread Men Pets, that makes even Star Trek V look good.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Oct 2012
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# 37
08-21-2013, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by originpi View Post
Scimitar is not meant to be a tank by any means.

Honestly the D'D isn't really meant to straight tank like a Fed or KDF ship either, but it does a damn good job of it anyway and has a very solid boff layout (It even gets one more LtC power than normal, which is a big deal and normally reserved for big carriers or BOPs) for tanking.

I've played the scimitar as a tac machine since the morning they were released, with only a single HE1 for heals and no survivability powers beyond the secondary shielding and singularity powers (which, for the record, are wonderful for not getting popped).

I've never noticed this bug that everyone talks about about it dying easy. This could be a problem with one of the other (Falchion, Tulwar) versions perhaps, or it really could be people don't know how to fly it. The devs have said they have had no luck reproducing any bug that makes you more killable either.
Now tell me why I can tank with my Scimaitar ship and you cant O_o... and its a tac version... explain that to me and I believe you.. till then you have no idea what your talking about I tanked a lot of stuff in this ship I don't see the problem...

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Survivor of Romulus
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# 38
08-22-2013, 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by goku5030 View Post
Now tell me why I can tank with my Scimaitar ship and you cant O_o... and its a tac version... explain that to me and I believe you.. till then you have no idea what your talking about I tanked a lot of stuff in this ship I don't see the problem...
Maybe he isn't running the Valdore console? The tac version potentially tanks better than the others, even, because more damage = more tanking, when you have that console on. I would in fact be quite hesitant to declare the D'D a better tank, when you bring this console into the equation.
Lt. Commander
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# 39
08-22-2013, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by eldritchx View Post
Maybe he isn't running the Valdore console? The tac version potentially tanks better than the others, even, because more damage = more tanking, when you have that console on. I would in fact be quite hesitant to declare the D'D a better tank, when you bring this console into the equation.
Well it has nothing to do with console ships have to do with players not Consoles... I just know how to tank it it and set up my duty officer skills and game play.... That is what makes ships good players not consoles ...Any body can use ship and get killed quickly unless its set up right then it can do wonders .I do use the consoles but I also have nice ability's to keep my shields up at all times ...I know how to manage them well to.. So yeah its the player not the ship....
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Apr 2013
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# 40
08-22-2013, 07:26 AM
Why are the devs making all the BARELY-canon ships O.P.?


It's turning the game into a circus. In orbit around Earth/Qonos/Romulus is a circus of alien ships that have no business being there. Where's the RPG in this MMORPG? Where's the MMO in MMORPG's?
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