Rihannsu
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 366
# 41
07-11-2013, 09:33 PM
Ive done the rep system on 6 toons now because you need atleast 1 set of rep gear for stfs if you don't want to be riddled with injuries every time you die but that's it. I just bought 1 set on those 6. it was painful enough to grind out my main and buy everything for him im not about to do it for 6 others and sorry you can add all the more reps you want its not gonna change my opinion one way or another. even the OVERPOWERED web mines, im not even bothering to grind out 500 nukara marks to buy those because after 7 toons the grind has been sucked out of me.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 220
# 42
07-19-2013, 08:28 AM
im not doing the rep grind on all my 50s . i have picked 1 i enjoy and sticking with him sadly neglected alts are a fact of STO life now
Commander
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 345
# 43
07-23-2013, 10:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crypticarmsman View Post
Probably because (after Thursday's patch); all T5 Rep projects will give out a fairly big reward of the appropriate Marks and Dilithium. And since some power levelers can get a new character to 50 in hours - that would be a large source of essentially free dilithium; which can be converted to Zen via the exchange, etc - cutting into their bottom line in the long run.
Completely missing the point that the zen you buy from the exchange with dilithium is first bought by players for real money THEN sold on the exchange.

Just to clarify:

Player A buys Zen with RL Money and posts it on the exchange in order to obtain dilithium without having to grind for it.

Player B grinds for dilithium and buys Zen from the exchange in order to purchase Zen Store items.

Cryptic/PWE makes EXACTLY the same amount of money as it would have if player B had bought the Zen directly.

Conclusion: There is actually no reason at all for Cryptic to NOT make the rep grind easier to unlock on alts.

One of the things that gives STO it's appeal is the fact that we can make so many different characters with different skill sets and different ships, gear etc.

The single best way for Cryptic/PWE to make MONEY is to eliminate the tedious grind of the rep system so people with RL jobs that pay well, but leave little time for grinding, can BUY ZEN and SELL IT to the grinders for dilithium to purchase that rep gear for the brand new shiny ZEN STORE SHIP they just bought.

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Speaking strictly for myself, if it weren't for rep grind tedium I would have at least two more characters, a KDF and Romulan Engineer. Since the ships I would need for them would be cruisers that I don't have unlocked on my tac and sci characters, I would likely be spending at least 5K if not 10K zen on ships alone. Whether I bought the zen directly or from the exchange is irrelevant, because of the points I made earlier.

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MY SOLUTION: (makes TONS of money for Cryptic/PWE)

Once a player has unlocked ALL THREE Tier Five reputations on a single character, they unlock the following account wide:

1. 20 hour time gate on projects reduced to four hours. (even better if it were 2 minutes like gear projects)

2. The ability to buy Multiple Choice Mark Packages from the Dilithium Store. The player could either grind the dilithium in the content of their choice, or BUY ZEN and use the exchange to obtain it.

Costume unlocks and Titles would still require the player to complete the optional objectives. This would keep the titles valid for the purists.

(P.S. Cryptic, you should really hire me. I'll work dirt cheap and make you all flithy stinking rich with ideas like this. "I got a million of them" ... LOL ... no really I do...)

Last edited by glassguitar; 07-23-2013 at 10:48 PM.
Commander
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 458
# 44
07-24-2013, 02:08 PM
After reading everyone comments, I've realized how sad this situation is.

So many people giving ideas, complaints (or alternatives) and yet nothing has been done. I didn't know this game had some bugs since Launch (wasn't that 3 years ago).

Again,...nothing gets done. So it's safe to say that our words fall on def ears. That only leaves us with two choices:

1. Stop playing the game, and eventually cryptic will realize how much money they're loosing (and amassing a large amount of "bad mouthing" on the internet in the meantime). This will force them to make a massive 5 GB patch to correct all the years of complaints (and to return former players back to the game).

2. Keep playing the game but purpsoly not spend any zen. But then Cryptic may play "chess" with it's STO player and force them into spending zen.
Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 568
# 45
07-24-2013, 04:24 PM
I grinded all 3 current reps to T5 on 2 characters. The fact that there is another one coming soon just affirmed my intention NOT to create any more characters in STO... well, except dilithium farmers and mules to store all my equipment, that is.
Starfleet Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 650
# 46
08-01-2013, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fraghul2000 View Post
Considering what you have to invest in order to max out gear in other MMOs, the grind in STO isn't too bad. What it boils down to is that STO players seem to be spoiled when compared to those of other games.

Instant levelling, quick access to best-in-slot gear, no ranked pvp reward system, reputation gated solely by real-time and not by skill/ingame-time/organization and endgame content en par with basic low-level dungeons in other games, plus the fact that endgame gear doesn't become obsolete.

People in here are complaining about the fact that it takes a bit of time to equip their n-th alt with top-notch, best in slot endgame gear, which already requires a low amount of effort to start with. An average ingame-time of 15-20 minutes/day will get your character to T5 reputation with all 3 factions in about a month.

Other games make you grind the same (raid) dungeons for 3-4 hours 2-3 times a week to get second-rate gear which in turn you need to replace every few weeks to stay competative. It's the same grind in every game out there, it's part of the basic mmo-concept. People who don't grasp that might be better off playing Skyrim & co., where - when it becomes too time consuming or difficult - you can just advance via console commmands...

I agree that leveling is way to fast, heck i leveled a rommie with only doffing over the course of a month. But there is a necessity to the the fast leveling because of rather boring lower level missions and very linear game play.

I don't have a problem of taking so long to get stuff, I just hate that it is the same set of missions every night to get the stuff together for the grind. If they are going to do this create some sort of saga to accomplish, like put together a optional reward for completing all space and ground stfs. Then have a 20 hr cooldown and give that optional out again. Ther are just too few doing ground elite to be able to pug it or even get a team all that quickly in ESTF chat.

STO could be much more engaging, but right now it feels like they are waiting on something, and in the mean time just putting some reps as a carrot for the massive boredom beating we are to endure.
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Starfleet Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 650
# 47
08-01-2013, 10:48 PM
I would like to see rep account wide, but am not sure how bad a programming hurdle it would be. A possible work around would be a special mission you run after you achieve a tier:

The rep could be made "account wide" by giving out boxes of "rep points" for completion of each tier that is worth 1 rep level on another toon. That box is account bound.

I will illustrate what I mean: I complete Omega Tier 1 on fed tac toon. On unlock of T1 Omega part of the reward is a box for 5000 Omega Reputation XP (account bound) that I can transfer to any toon. I transfer it to Fed Eng toon, I have instant Omega Tier 1 there, perhaps this "mission" could have a dilithium input too for convenience. Once I unlock the Tier 1 project then I get another box, to transfer to my kdf sci and rinse repeat.

When my fed tac gets Tier2 unlocked then he gets a box for 15000 Omega reputation to pass to the next one. This allows for a daisy chain of your toons. Put a time gate of even a week on it I don't care, it is pointless to time gate it but I don't care. This way you are getting rep for the next toon without grinding the missions. I feel this will allow me to get back into my KDF characters again. And consider outfitting my rommie.
PvE Jem'Hadar motto: Participation Ribbons are life.
Starfleet Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 650
# 48
08-01-2013, 10:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by glassguitar View Post
Completely missing the point that the zen you buy from the exchange with dilithium is first bought by players for real money THEN sold on the exchange.

Just to clarify:

Player A buys Zen with RL Money and posts it on the exchange in order to obtain dilithium without having to grind for it.

Player B grinds for dilithium and buys Zen from the exchange in order to purchase Zen Store items.

Cryptic/PWE makes EXACTLY the same amount of money as it would have if player B had bought the Zen directly.

Conclusion: There is actually no reason at all for Cryptic to NOT make the rep grind easier to unlock on alts.

One of the things that gives STO it's appeal is the fact that we can make so many different characters with different skill sets and different ships, gear etc.

The single best way for Cryptic/PWE to make MONEY is to eliminate the tedious grind of the rep system so people with RL jobs that pay well, but leave little time for grinding, can BUY ZEN and SELL IT to the grinders for dilithium to purchase that rep gear for the brand new shiny ZEN STORE SHIP they just bought.

SO many do miss this, if I buy a 3 piece set with dilithium procured zen then I allowed my efforts to support someone else buying dilithium with their cash, which Cryptic received. if no one converted dilithium to zen then no one would buy zen to convert it to dilithium.

Some have more time than money and that time in its own way is critical to the income of Cryptic even if their bank accounts never exchange digits.
PvE Jem'Hadar motto: Participation Ribbons are life.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 928
# 49
08-02-2013, 06:35 PM
Has anyone seen or heard of anything new coming down the pike for this problem for reputation and if so where would I look? And yes I've tried google
I would like for the devs to open a poll/feedback thread on what exactly the players would like to see in the near future for the game.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 185
# 50
08-02-2013, 06:50 PM
I did not buy the Scimitar because, to get them most out of it I would have to do all 3 reputations again on a new toon, life is just too short.

I would have bought it if it was a lock box ship.

Reputation grind - not again, thank you.
"He tasks me. He tasks me, and I shall have him. For every doff box bought, I'll chase him round the Moons of Nibia and round the Antares Maelstrom and round Perdition's flames. For every single doff box opened, I stab at thee from hell's heart. For every single doff contributed, I spit my last breath at thee..." Khan Playing STO
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