Lieutenant
Join Date: Mar 2013
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# 61
07-22-2013, 05:44 PM
Look at this... heres a huge Scimitar with a wingspan of 1350 meters... next to it are 2 mirandas... And you want the fleet miranda happen with almost similar hull strength as that bigass scimitar? I dont see it happen, like ever.

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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 239
# 62
07-22-2013, 07:26 PM
I don't get why anyone would want a fleet version of the Miranda class, whenever I log onto the game I see zone message after zone message from people asking if anyone has a fleet they can join with a tier 5 shipyard. No one wants to join a fleet with anything below t5, now logically, if they every decided sure why not, it's safe to say that the Miranda would be a ship that's available for fleets who have a t1 shipyard. After all, it's a trainer ship, that's why feds get it in the tutorial. As far as the extremely tiny minority that seem to be unable to live without a Miranda why not just go dig your old one out of storage and shove some fleet gear on it, problem solved. Sure can't expect them to make a fleet version as some sort of super ship with a dozen weapon slots and more hull points than a whole fleet of ships so even if they did make one it won't be all that much better than the Miranda you have now.
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# 63
07-22-2013, 07:47 PM
ST Generations a Nebula and Miranda scoop up what's left of Enterprises crew.

In Nemesis there was a Federation fleet nearby when Scimitar jumped Enterprise. You and I ALL know there were at least a couple Miranda class ships in that battle-group.

The Miranda is still a viable opponent. It WAS considered a light cruiser, until advance in design relegated it to frigate duty.

That being said, there is NO REASON not to allow Miranda Fleet status.

CBS is wrong. In fact, scrap the whole regular/fleet ship idea. Resort the tiers so Mirandas can have a viable role in Fleet action play. Future of STO depends on decisions like it really.
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# 64
07-24-2013, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by displayname707 View Post
Look at this... heres a huge Scimitar with a wingspan of 1350 meters... next to it are 2 mirandas... And you want the fleet miranda happen with almost similar hull strength as that bigass scimitar? I dont see it happen, like ever.

http://i42.tinypic.com/330ecfl.jpg
mirandas are bigger than defiants.
sabers are bigger than defiants.
defiant has stupid high stats for what it is.
as it turns out, an intrepid would lose a fight with a connie.
and thats canon.
! the power of plot compels you.
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# 65
07-26-2013, 06:44 PM
well hell since we are all dreaming I want the Fleet Phoenix, with CRD tac CRD Sci and LCDR eng. queue the rolling eyes
No to T5 Constitution No to T5 Miranda No to Arc Yes to a Federation Frigate Pet
Lieutenant
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# 66
07-27-2013, 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by annemarie30 View Post
well hell since we are all dreaming I want the Fleet Phoenix, with CRD tac CRD Sci and LCDR eng. queue the rolling eyes
Thats almost as good idea as fleet miranda. /support
Commander
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# 67
07-27-2013, 05:43 AM
the miranda been around since 1982 and is almost entirely the MAIN reason star trek exist still today. we owe it, even older designs are fleet ships. for cryptic to sh*t on the Miranda, centaur, and possibly the romulan d7 because they want to push their 2409 bit is just ludicrous.

so help me god if I don't start seeing some respect around here for the ships you'll die thinking of i'm going to rip the nacelles off the Miranda and start beating people!!!
Lyndon Brewer: 20% chance to capture enemy ship for 60 seconds on successful use of boarding party.

cause sometimes its party time!
Rihannsu
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# 68
07-27-2013, 06:21 AM
I'm all for Fleet Light Cruiser Re(tro)fit and honestly I don't see why it couldn't happen.


First of, to all you "canon" defenders, KDF do already have a Fleet B'Rel (TOS/Movie era ship), while Romulans do have a Fleet T'Varo (Enterprise era ship).

Second, it's not just Miranda, but Centaur and Shi'kar as well. Those ships were seen numerous times during the Dominion War, with the Centaur being able to take on a Jem Hadar Bugship in one of the DS9 episodes.

Third, being a "Light Cruiser" the ship could be quite interesting to design. It could even rely on something like a Cmdr. Universal, to make it somewhat flexible for players.

Fourth, personally I think it would look nice with Type-6 material.


I was honestly disappointed with Geko's reaction to this idea during several interviews, saying basically "why would you want that?". Well, judging by the amount of similar threads people do want it and in contrast with the "T5 Connie" there's actually some kind of canon justification for this. And heck, players are already flying around in Enterprise era ships or giant dreadnoughts with Thalaron weapons, so most discussions like that are pointless.

I guess it's just a matter of "it won't make us enough money".
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# 69
07-27-2013, 08:52 AM
The reason why the Defiant and various other older Klingon and Romulan ship designs are Tier 5 is due to combat specialization. Unfortunately, Tier 5 status is solely based on combat potential. The Defiant and the other ships ships mentioned might be about the same size as the Miranda, but they have more room for combat systems compared to the Miranda. The Miranda is a regular Starfleet ship so it fills multiple roles instead of just combat. The Defiant would not do that well in a scientific exploration mission or helping a colony out while a Miranda would be perfect for it. The Miranda uses up a lot of room for luxury items and non-combat systems that it doesn't have as much room as the Defiant for combat systems. If we make the Miranda a Tier 5 ship, then all those systems would have to be pulled out and eliminate the role that the Miranda is used for.

Of course, it could be possible to have ships that are at multiple tiers so the upgraded Miranda could be at Tier 5 Science, and Tier 5 Colony, but Tier 2 Combat while the Defiant is at Tier 2 Science, Tier 2 Colony, and Tier 5 Combat. This would require adding additional non-combat missions where the type of ship determines a player's effectiveness in completing it. Non-combat missions are what STO should be about and not have 95% of the missions have combat in it.
Rihannsu
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# 70
07-27-2013, 09:42 AM
Why not just make it a jack of all trades type of a ship? I honestly don't see it fully as any of the main classes. It's too old to be an escort/destroyer (dps-wise), it's too small to be a tank, and if anything it's closest to being a science-oriented type of cruiser.

How about something in this vein:

Hull: 36,000
Shield Modifier: 1.1
Weapons: Fore 4 Aft 3
Crew: 200
Bridge Officers: Cmdr. Engi, Lt.Cmdr. Sci, Lt.Cmdr Tac, Ensign Engi, Ensign Sci
Device Slots: 4
Consoles: 4 Engi, 3 Sci, 3 Tac
Turn Rate: 11
Impulse Modifier: 0.20
Inertia rating: 50
Bonus Power: +5 all power levels
Can load dual cannons
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