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# 41
07-22-2013, 03:21 AM
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I've said it before and I'll happily say it again, if a franchise doesn't move forwards it will die.

JJ Trek moved the series forwards ina big(and profitable) way. That means that Star Trek isn't dead.
That's not entirely true though... A 'dead' TV series like Star Trek or Baywatch, can still be seen on TV, so even if it is 'dead' and not putting out new material, people can still view the existing stuff, it can still gain new fans etc, it still continues to live in the hearts and minds of its fans. As I said over the page, true art will always be appreciated as it will always stand on its own merits, without a need to be 'updated for relevance'. These new films are just that: New films -- Pretty pictures for the masses. They are not going to bring about any new series, or keep the franchise going, and will only bring about as much merchandise as they feel people will buy. Once the third movie is out of the way, the franchise will slip back into it's coma, so it's not bringing the franchise 'back to life' at all, it is simply using the Trek name to make some quick money...
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# 42
07-22-2013, 06:49 AM
All of old Star Trek is bad because it's just a space soap opera. The only one that was good was Enterprise because it was the least space opera. What I'm seeing is you guys just have bad taste.
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# 43
07-22-2013, 08:44 AM
Hello all,
I'm new, my name is Ken.
Interesting thread...I just want to say "Old Trek" is NOT dead as long as I have my original Divisional Insignia (s), Phaser and Communicator props, (AA/DS stuff...wish I was lucky enough to own original props) and my Round 2 three foot TOS NCC-1701. The imagination and talent that went into the original stuff is why Trek is still around. The TOS Enterprise is an amazingly beautiful work of art, IMO, and the production version Warp Nacelle lighting was just genius.

No offense intended to any other iteration of Star Trek....its all pretty dang cool.
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# 44
07-22-2013, 09:04 AM
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Don't sweat the people who judge you. You go on rockin' the Trek. If you don't spend your time and money on the things you enjoy, what's the point of having time and money?
I made good financial choices when I was younger, I live a modestly comfortable life, nothing extravagant. As a result I am retired before 50. I credit Trek with my success for teaching me when I was young that there were always options in life, thus I kept looking till I found a better way for myself, instead of just accepting the slings and arrows of life. Everything is in your life because you either worked to put it there or did not work to remove it. I did a lot of work to put Trek into my life. I fear that most these kids today will be flipping burgers till their 80's just to keep the lights on. So sad. They will not be able to afford Trek when they get old.
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# 45
07-22-2013, 10:21 AM
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All great works of art must go through transitions...
Remember that woman who painted over the icon of Jesus to 'fix' it?

JJ's mom.
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# 46
07-22-2013, 10:27 AM
Star Trek is 45 years old. It still has a strong core but there is a rot born of being run into the ground and a distinct lack of a central guiding creative vision to keep the material consistent rather than simply marketed "for the moment." Say what you want but TOS had something special for all of us and endures even today. It made the 45 year legacy possible. TNG did a good job of fulfilling the promise TOS brought forth and was well loved for its run.

As well loved as DS 9 is the show also displays where the wrong group got into power and went astray. It was built around the basic THEFT of another writer?s intellectual property, that man?s basic ideas, and they got away with molding it to their wants. They were out of original ideas and became hacks trying to hang on rather than move on... It got worse in Voyager where they started with a wonderful premise that fell apart as the hacks ran the original writer off the show, stole her ideas, and twisted things into a same old same junk they thought to keep going forever.

ENT was the ultimate result when they finally managed to get their own premise onto the screen (which is really what they wanted during Voyager's run), a basic attempt at a reboot using some of their favorite themes from the years. I think the cast was good but the writing team was too struck on themselves and frankly disrespectful of the core Trek audience. I doubt most will ever forgive their "Valentine to the Fans." They got booted finally and scolded. But at least it ran them from Trek making room for some one fresh to take the helm at some point in the future at the cost of classic Trek's screen viability.

That's kind of where the IP is now. Roddenberry's vision for it was a product of his times and we, the audience, have changed significantly in the 45 years since it started. Even in TNG the show only took off when he stepped back. With all the clashing voices and visions the IP is in a shambles when it comes to consistency and internal logic. It has fallen apart and we love it yet for nostalgia's sake if not for what it has become. That explains JJ's success in a nutshell.

TREK isn't dead. It's just a freaking mess. It's all (the entire IP at this point) OLD Trek. Yet, it is the one remaining multimedia franchise vehicle for television that has a chance to bring real science fiction back to the screen rather than another silly space fantasy. It needs a real REBOOT and RE-ENVISIONING by a creative force versed in science, fiction, and the small screen with knowledge of the books and comics as well to regain its viability and consistency as an IP.

Maybe one day...
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# 47
07-22-2013, 10:29 AM
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Remember that woman who painted over the icon of Jesus to 'fix' it?

JJ's mom.
Just FYI - most western depictions of Jesus have him as fair haired/anglo-saxon looking. Given the area of the world he was actually born in, I highly doubt those depictions are historically accurate.
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# 48
07-22-2013, 10:51 AM
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Just FYI - most western depictions of Jesus have him as fair haired/anglo-saxon looking. Given the area of the world he was actually born in, I highly doubt those depictions are historically accurate.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Gene_Roddenberry

"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes."

Please eject the religious baggage out the airlock, Thanx.
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# 49
07-22-2013, 10:57 AM
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Just FYI - most western depictions of Jesus have him as fair haired/anglo-saxon looking. Given the area of the world he was actually born in, I highly doubt those depictions are historically accurate.
Jesus was black.
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# 50
07-22-2013, 01:26 PM
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Jesus was black.
Genetically speaking, that is at least as improbable as the typical Northern European depiction of a fair-haired, light-skinned Jesus. Yeshua ben Yosef would have most probably been quite Semitic in appearance.

I'm not sure what that has to do with the price of dilithium on Risa, however...
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