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Yes now that the Romulans are the Friends and allies of the Federation it's time they provided the Defiant class with a fully integrated battle cloak.

It's time starfleet demanded some compensation for all the hard work it's officers and staff have been doing for the Romulan people.

The treaty is null and void - as it was with the old empire and definitely void now that Romulans are now allies.
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# 2
07-19-2013, 09:18 PM
only if the ship gets a hull, shield, shield modifier and tactical console slot decrease, then maybe.

While using a semblance of what canon (might) dictate is one thing, ""ballance""" of the game must be maintained.

Romulan battle cloaks come at the cost of nefed general power levels, kdf battle cloaks are limited to BoPs, the most fragile ships in the game. (the vet ship admittingly being out of my expertise on stats, so i cant really comment)
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# 3
07-19-2013, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by newromulan1 View Post
Yes now that the Romulans are the Friends and allies of the Federation it's time they provided the Defiant class with a fully integrated battle cloak.

It's time starfleet demanded some compensation for all the hard work it's officers and staff have been doing for the Romulan people.

The treaty is null and void - as it was with the old empire and definitely void now that Romulans are now allies.
Only if you agree to a nerf. KDF raptors suffer from lower turnrates in general, or borked turn rate axis. They also don't have a 5-tac console option, so you'd best be willing to either suggest a raptor for that or nerf the Fleet Defiant back down to 4 tac consoles.

The Romulans are a special case, as elandarksky stated. You have to compare the Fed ships to KDF counterparts, and the KDF escort counterparts are nerfed slightly to compensate for the integrated cloak. Defiants should suffer the same.

EDIT: Corrected a name, wasn't paying attention.

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# 4
07-19-2013, 09:28 PM
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Only if you agree to a nerf. KDF raptors suffer from lower turnrates in general, or borked turn rate axis. They also don't have a 5-tac console option, so you'd best be willing to either suggest a raptor for that or nerf the Fleet Defiant back down to 4 tac consoles.

The Romulans are a special case, as newromulan1 stated. You have to compare the Fed ships to KDF counterparts, and the KDF escort counterparts are nerfed slightly to compensate for the integrated cloak. Defiants should suffer the same.
Actually this whole thread is made for neoakiraii - he knows why.
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# 5
07-19-2013, 09:52 PM
While I don't think the Defiant or Galaxy-X need a battle cloak, I wouldn't mind if they had an integrated standard cloak. /shrug. I don't see it happening, though.
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# 6
07-19-2013, 10:01 PM
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While I don't think the Defiant or Galaxy-X need a battle cloak, I wouldn't mind if they had an integrated standard cloak. /shrug. I don't see it happening, though.
Agreed. No battle cloak, just built in regular cloak.

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# 7
07-19-2013, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by stardestroyer001 View Post
Agreed. No battle cloak, just built in regular cloak.
fine, fine, a built in regular cloak would free up one console slot at least.
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# 8
07-19-2013, 10:07 PM
I'll get this out of the way first:

Jeez...ANOTHER one of those threads.



Ok, that's done now.

I was actually recently thinking about this. I thought of a nice way to let everyone have what they want, without stepping on toes as much, and then maybe we can have this debate dead and finished for good:



Federation cloaks (Gal-X and Defiant-R): Would be called a 'Federation Cloaking Device'. They would gain the ability to cloak under fire, and NOTHING ELSE.

Klingon cloaks: Would be called 'Klingon Cloak'. All raptors and battlecruisers would gain all the benefits from battle cloak, but could still only ever cloak when not in red alert. BoPs would stay the same. Possibly give a bump to th effectiveness of all Klingon cloaks. Not gigantic, but enough to make it worthwhile.

Romulan cloaks: Would remain the same.

T'varo, B'rel, Scimitar (with consoles) cloaks: Stay mostly the same. Possibly for the B'rel, gain a greater amount of stealth bonus to make it a bit more unique or add in some other extra.

Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer and Battlecruiser: Would gain the ability to cloak under fire, but nothing else.


There, everyone gets what they want without stepping on toes as badly as just giving feds a battle cloak with all the dressings.

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# 9
07-19-2013, 10:13 PM
I have a fleet tactical retro and if it comes with a nerf to consoles then i say hell no! the 5 tac consoles are worth more than a battle cloak to me. Thats why i have a rommie tac and a KDF tac for useing a battle cloak. a regular built in cloak i wouldnt mind so much but probably would rarely use it since I dont do pvp.

But then what would happen to PvP if everyone had a cloak? nothing would happen in PvP at all because everyone would be cloaked waiting on the first fool to decloak so they can alpha strike them. I think wanting battle cloaks on every ship would make for very boring PvP and i dont even do PvP.
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# 10
07-19-2013, 10:15 PM
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But then what would happen to PvP if everyone had a cloak?
It's be EXACTLY WHAT IT'S LIKE NOW lol. PvP is just Fed-Romulans v Klingons v KDF-Romulans. Everyone has battle cloaks, and it's all stealthy decloaky alpha strikes.

It's not like the cloaks are impenetrable though - you can detect cloaking vessels with some boff abilities.
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