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# 1 Balance Romulans, when?
06-17-2013, 06:17 PM
Before i start this post, i want to say that this is going to be related to tactical captians mostly. So keep that in mind
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It's been almost a mount since the launch of LoR, everyone is already playing romulans chars, and they have sold tons of legacy packs. Can we now get a balance pass? With the arrival of the romulans, there is no sense in playing a FED or KDF tactical captian anymore, the diference is too much, here are the reasons:

Romulans Space Trait: Covert Operative
+1.5% Critical Chance
+3.8% Critical Severity
+10% Power Recharge Speed for Cloakin

Romulans Can stack 5 Superior Operative BOFFS
+2% Critical Chance
+5% Critical Severity
+15% Power Recharge Speed for Cloaking

Lets do the maths

Romulans:
+11.5% Critical Chance
+28.8% Critical Severity
+85% Power Recharge Speed for Cloaking (not sure about the maths of this, but it won't make too much a diference in how they stack)

FED/KDF (standard ship layout with 2 tactical boffs)
+4% Critical Chance
+10% Critical Severity
+30% Power Recharge Speed for Cloaking

See the diference? but this dosn't end here, it get even worst for KDF

- There are romulan boffs with superior subterfuge and superior operative trait, and of course the remans with infiltrator.
- Romulan cloack gives +25% damage bonus, while KDF cloack gives only +15% (25% is simply too much, if they want to give and "Extra" to romulan, they could go with 20%...)
- @naevius colaboration: "Also, you forgot Remans... 13 seconds of post-decloak damage, which is boosted 25% by a Subterfuge boff.
Oh, and since cloak CD is minimal..."

Bottom Line:
25% damage increase post de-cloak (with extra duration using reman doffs), plus the extra critical chance and critical severity. Since the cloak coldown with doffs is lower than the duration of the post-cloak damage buff they can keep cloacking-decloacking for get a permanent 25% damage increase


Also lets not forget that klingons dosn't have ships with 5 tactical consoles + batte cloack, romulans in the other hand have it (the Ha'feh is a jem'hadar with battle cloack and 16 turn rate....)

For the god sake of the thousands of FED and KDF tactical players, can we get a balance? i'm not asking to nerf the romulans into oblivion, but KDF/FED should get access to 5 boffs with superior operative, or some other boff with similar benefits. The KDF cloak should compete somehow with the romulan one, they have better stealh values, less recharge time cause of boffs, and +10% extra dmg bonus.
John Sheridan@playhard88 - FED Tactical
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)

Last edited by playhard88; 06-18-2013 at 06:19 PM.
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# 2
06-17-2013, 06:38 PM
No just NO - one of the Best KDF PvP players in the game has switched to a Rommie tac and I asked him today when he will go back to KDF toon - he said it will be a while and that's fine.

Everyone can roll a Rommie FREE!!

You can spend millions of dollars and time upgrading you new rommie and it will keep you playing for a long time.

So as to making any changes to Romulans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc
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# 3
06-17-2013, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by newromulan1 View Post
No just NO - one of the Best KDF PvP players in the game has switched to a Rommie tac and I asked him today when he will go back to KDF toon - he said it will be a while and that's fine.
Everyone can roll a Rommie FREE!!

You can spend millions of dollars and time upgrading you new rommie and it will keep you playing for a long time
With that nickname, and those arguments....
John Sheridan@playhard88 - FED Tactical
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)

Last edited by playhard88; 06-17-2013 at 06:53 PM.
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# 4
06-17-2013, 07:15 PM
Well, there are a few downsides, but I agree Romulans have moved the power bar up a couple of notches.

(The lower power levels seem to make Romulan ships particularly vulnerable to science-y ships.)

Also, you forgot Remans... 13 seconds of post-decloak damage, which is boosted 25% by a Subterfuge boff.

Oh, and since cloak CD is minimal...
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# 5
06-17-2013, 07:24 PM
Fanboy comments aside...

It would seem that all you really need to do is restrict the boff buffs to only 1 applies at a time or something along those lines, or just open up those boffs to everybody else.

As for the romulan ship bonuses, those don't really bother me that much given that it's not that it's no different than surviving and old Alpha strike from a Bop or Raptor given that you can't fire off GDF at full health anymore.

Rule of thumb is survive the ~10 seconds of alpha strike and you're back on even terms, I'm more worried about a maxed out romulan in a Jem'hadar or temporal destroyer than I am any warbird.

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# 6
06-17-2013, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by therealsivar View Post
Fanboy comments aside...

It would seem that all you really need to do is restrict the boff buffs to only 1 applies at a time or something along those lines, or just open up those boffs to everybody else.

As for the romulan ship bonuses, those don't really bother me that much given that it's not that it's no different than surviving and old Alpha strike from a Bop or Raptor given that you can't fire off GDF at full health anymore.

Rule of thumb is survive the ~10 seconds of alpha strike and you're back on even terms, I'm more worried about a maxed out romulan in a Jem'hadar or temporal destroyer than I am any warbird.
Most of the serious PvP players that I know which are rolling Rommies now have spent up to 100 million EC getting the best Crit boffs.

Most would be very unhappy to see any changes.
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# 7
06-17-2013, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by newromulan1 View Post
Most of the serious PvP players that I know which are rolling Rommies now have spent up to 100 million EC getting the best Crit boffs.

Most would be very unhappy to see any changes.
No **** they wouldn't want to see changes, that's the normal attitude when players make massive changes to take advantage of an unbalanced mechanic in all MMOs.

Any MMO vet knows that things are subject to change and they drop the massive amounts of cash at their own risk. Whether or not Cryptic will actually do anything is another matter, but the fact that players have spent significant amounts of EC on new characters is not a legitimate reason to leave the game in an unbalanced state.

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# 8
06-17-2013, 07:38 PM
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# 9
06-17-2013, 07:56 PM
expect it around the time the cardassians become playable as a "faction"
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# 10
06-17-2013, 08:09 PM
the boffs wile powerful dont bother me too much. the romulans as a whole are overpowered, but not to the point that say the bug ship is overpowered compared to other escorts. at the very least that valdor console needs to be nered to about 1/5 as powerful as it is now, but otherwise they are fine. i think, i haven't fully played with all rommie toys yet.
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