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# 21
07-29-2013, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by o1derfull1 View Post
I dont get it. The individual pieces dont seem all that good. Are you picking the 2 pc Borg for the set bonus?

For the engines I'd rather have the bonus to multiple subsys pwr and some help on engine disable that Fleet/Adapted MACO give, rather than just +5 eng/fast sector travel of the Borg engines.

For the deflector I dont see how +5 Aux, 26 SIF, and 17.5 Dampers, Grav Generators, Pwr Insulators of the Borg set are better for a tac in an escort than say the 26 SIF and 17.5 Shield HP/Heals of the MACO deflector.

Is the 2pc bonus so OP that the sacrifice in the individual pieces are worth it?
I use 2 piece borg (deflector and engine) set with Adapted MACO shield, plus Leech. Power Insulator skill will resist the shield drain ability that the borg are so fond of using. And the 2pc bonus is nice for the increased hull repair, and hull heal proc. It's not OP by any means, but comparable imo to the bonuses of the other sets. Leech gives me more sub-system power than the MACO shield even with 0 points in flow caps.
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# 22
07-29-2013, 04:29 PM
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I dont get it. The individual pieces dont seem all that good. Are you picking the 2 pc Borg for the set bonus?...
Yes, 2x borg for set bonus, when i look at heal numbers in log parser, the borg bonus heal numbers are bigger then TSS/HE/ST.
MACO shield also good because of "Reduces All Energy Damage to Shields by 10%", so its good against spike damage.
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# 23
07-29-2013, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by o1derfull1 View Post
I dont get it. The individual pieces dont seem all that good. Are you picking the 2 pc Borg for the set bonus?

For the engines I'd rather have the bonus to multiple subsys pwr and some help on engine disable that Fleet/Adapted MACO give, rather than just +5 eng/fast sector travel of the Borg engines.

For the deflector I dont see how +5 Aux, 26 SIF, and 17.5 Dampers, Grav Generators, Pwr Insulators of the Borg set are better for a tac in an escort than say the 26 SIF and 17.5 Shield HP/Heals of the MACO deflector.

Is the 2pc bonus so OP that the sacrifice in the individual pieces are worth it?
The Adapted MACO engines are efficient engines. What that means is the subsystem power bonus it gives fluctuates depending on power levels. At x/25 or less power, they give you the full bonus. This bonus decreases all the way down to 0 at x/75 or more power.

Adapted MACO engines are only good if you plan on grabbing the set bonus.
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# 24
07-29-2013, 06:23 PM
The simple, copout answer is Elite Fleet Shields. But when you get down to how you intend to fight, the answer isn't so clear cut as I've learned, as far as PVP goes.

For PVE: Any choice is as good as another. You can sport a non-rep, non-set shield proper to the situation and be good to go, i.e. Mk XII with Plasma Resist for an STF/ESTF.

For PVP: This is where it gets more complicated.
- For a ship that intends to stick into the middle of a fight, Elite Fleet Shields will work good. The ResA / ResB combined with Adaptive Resists makes for a very robust shield under sustained fire.

The real vulnerability of the Elite Fleet Shields is the energy weapon used against it that is NOT covered by the shield's ResA or ResB resists, and if it's coming out of an all out alpha strike, esp. one that utilizes Beam Overload 3. A sudden, quick, ultra violent burst of Spike Damage that is esp. not covered by ResA / ResB of the shield will rip it apart. A sudden, very short burst, esp. with Beam Overload does not give the Elite Fleet Shield's Adaptive Resists to build up the high resist % that comes with attacks repeatedly beating against it.

Simply put, a short, alpha strike is the very same idea of making one, strong, quick punch into someone before they can get their defenses up and ready.

That's the vulnerability of Elite Fleet Shields, IMO.

The advantage of a shield that has flat resists like MACO Resilient Shields and Jem'Hadar Resilient Shields is that they have generic, all-around resists to any energy weapon type. Sure, it will never be as high % against any attack that a fully resisted & proc'ed Elite Fleet Shield will have, but you will never have to worry if an energy type isn't covered either.

Another beauty of MACO Resilient is the subsystem power bonus under fire. You do not have to give up a console spot for Plasmonic Leech.

Again, other shields and Elite Fleet Shields have their place, but Elite Fleet Shields, as good as hey are, are not the end-all-be-all answer.

Hell, for a hit & run type of ship, I'd pick the KHG / Adapted MACO Shields any day of the week over Elite Fleet Shields.
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# 25
07-29-2013, 10:31 PM
So, if you have plasmonic leech, and MACO, which one takes over? MACO or leech?
Which is the dominate one?
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# 26
07-30-2013, 02:25 AM
after short testing my guess is which ever one is stronger right now

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# 27
07-30-2013, 04:26 AM
Why do people quote the entire original post directly after the original post?

Just sayin.
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# 28
07-30-2013, 04:37 AM
If I were you I would go with Aegis Deflector and Engine. The two piece bonus is good for damage mitigation. It also provides a nice bonus to your shields, power insulators and inertial dampers. The engines aren't the best but 10% extra defense makes up for it most of the time.

The shield is your choice.. but remember that the MACO shield has a higher capacity and resists plasma at 20% inherently. As a general rule of thumb, Elite Fleet stuff is aimed at the PvP market where as rep gear is based on the PvE market.

So in the end it comes back to you and your playstyle.
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# 29
07-30-2013, 12:06 PM
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As a general rule of thumb, Elite Fleet stuff is aimed at the PvP market where as rep gear is based on the PvE market.
Is this true?I had no idea. I guess I could see that, though.
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# 30
07-30-2013, 12:57 PM
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So, if you have plasmonic leech, and MACO, which one takes over? MACO or leech?
Which is the dominate one?
MACO overrides the leech. See this thread:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=727921

At first, they thought it was a bug. But was later confirmed to be working as intended.
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