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# 101
08-15-2013, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by thecosmic1 View Post
Yeah. It's a plot device, but it's no stranger for Trek then any other plot device they've used. I mean, what are the odds the woman Decker loves would be the one taken control of by V'ger so they can merge?
Yeah, I totally agree. I definitely wasn't saying it in a bad way. I was just responding to the comment that it didn't make sense. It made perfect sense. I might not have been super-realistic, but it was no weaker than many plot devices in Star Trek.
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# 102
08-15-2013, 08:38 PM
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Yeah, I totally agree. I definitely wasn't saying it in a bad way. I was just responding to the comment that it didn't make sense. It made perfect sense. I might not have been super-realistic, but it was no weaker than many plot devices in Star Trek.
I've often hear dthis referred to as "Plot induced stupidity". The story NEEDS to go in a certain direction so the writer finds soemthing to make it go that way even if it isn't good.
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# 103
08-16-2013, 04:48 AM
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I've often hear dthis referred to as "Plot induced stupidity". The story NEEDS to go in a certain direction so the writer finds soemthing to make it go that way even if it isn't good.
All Stories need to go in a certain direction. Whether its good or not is subjective.

Sometimes I feel like I'm talking to people who think these fantasy universes are real...
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# 104
08-16-2013, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by gonjaa View Post
All Stories need to go in a certain direction. Whether its good or not is subjective.

Sometimes I feel like I'm talking to people who think these fantasy universes are real...
His point is there's many ways to move a plot and bad writers tend to do it in stupid ways. For example, they want Data to save Picard so they turn Picard into a whimpering idiot who's going to let his crew die from a thalaron radiation blast. Bad plot device.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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# 105
08-16-2013, 08:29 AM
I thought Into Darkness was fine. It's completely contradictory to what I wanted them to do with the reboot, which was (and still is, really) to tell new Star Trek stories rather than rehash stories we've already seen, but that said...I thought they did a good job rehashing a story we'd already seen.

I know a lot of people don't care for the glitz and pacing of the reboot, but I find it more interesting and accessible than the sometimes-stuffy vibe of the TOS/TNG movies. For lack of a better term, JJ's direction has personality, which I think is a welcome thing.

The movie also touched on some relevant themes and metaphors for modern society, in its ethical issues related to appropriate responses to terrorism and weapons of mass destruction. They didn't put these issues front and centre, but they were there, which I appreciated.

The perfect Star Trek movie? Nah. The worst ever? Well, no...I'd say I enjoyed it more than The (Slow) Motion Picture, The Search for Spock, The Final Frontier, Generations, Insurrection, and Nemesis.
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# 106
08-17-2013, 06:48 AM
The only real issue I have with Into Darkness has been voiced by other women all over the web, as seen in these two examples here and here (these are only two of many, but they should get the point across).

I'm absolutely not a puritan, and I have no problem with sexuality or nudity in movies or on TV (or "gratuitous underwear," as some are referring to a particular scene), but that poorly done bit seems as if it were tossed into the script for no reason but to have a bit of racy content, and it simply doesn't work, and, as one of the reviews says, it's only the tip of the iceberg. One of the reviews points out that we've seen Starfleet girls in their underwear in the first J.J. Trek, and that it fit into the storyline, which is true. In more than one TOS episode ("The Entirprise Incident," for one example), we see underwear, too, but again, it fit into the storyline.

The most glaring example of what's wrong can best be stated as follows: Uhura is supposed to be a strong woman, not a simpering shadow to a man (even so awesome a man as Spock).

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# 107
08-17-2013, 08:55 AM
Admittedly, I haven't seen the film yet, but is there any justification for Carol wearing science officer's blues? I appreciate that in PrimeVerse later life, she is a scientist, and is refferred to previously as a blonde scientist, but why is she wearing blues, and being identified as a weapons expert? She should be wearing the red uniform of ship's services (I guess JJ didn't want her to be visually confused with Uhura, or possibly not care that the color of her uniform was not that of a weapons expert... )
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# 108
08-17-2013, 09:22 AM
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Admittedly, I haven't seen the film yet, but is there any justification for Carol wearing science officer's blues? I appreciate that in PrimeVerse later life, she is a scientist, and is refferred to previously as a blonde scientist, but why is she wearing blues, and being identified as a weapons expert? She should be wearing the red uniform of ship's services (I guess JJ didn't want her to be visually confused with Uhura, or possibly not care that the color of her uniform was not that of a weapons expert... )
In the movie Carol is a Science Officer - her degree is Physics. She just happens to use her Physics knowledge to make weapons. She's still science, just like Spock.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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# 109
08-17-2013, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by thecosmic1 View Post
In the movie Carol is a Science Officer - her degree is Physics. She just happens to use her Physics knowledge to make weapons. She's still science, just like Spock.
Ahh, that is what I wondered, it just seemed strange that she was being promoted as a weapons expert, as opposed to a scientist, so wondered if that was clarified in the movie
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# 110
08-17-2013, 11:34 AM
Well, scientists are the ones who make weapons.

In ST 2, the Genesis Device was created in a compact casing that could easily be fitted into a torpedo.....

anyways though, it's not much a a divergence, IF it can be considered a divergence at all. The Genesis project used high-energy particle physics to reconstruct matter on the molecular lavel, almost like a giant replicator... Thus Carol Marcus, in the original timeline, must have been an expert in that field as well as biology.
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